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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::330 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247541 Archived-At: >>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:02:16 +0200, I=C3=B1igo Serna said: I=C3=B1igo> On 22 April 2020 at 18:29 +02, Robert Pluim wrote: >> Someone in this thread mentioned they were working on a 'proper' GTK >> backend, is that anywhere near useable yet? I=C3=B1igo> I've been lucky enough to test Po Lu's work over the last c= ouple of I=C3=B1igo> weeks, and although it's still WIP and there are still thin= gs to work on I=C3=B1igo> - in my tests, mainly related to the keyboard - the result = is quite stable, I=C3=B1igo> and visually excellent. I=C3=B1igo> For instance, look at the screenshot he attached a couple o= f days ago to I=C3=B1igo> one of his first emails in this thread. I=C3=B1igo> I don't want to steal the attention Po Lu deserves, so I wo= n't comment I=C3=B1igo> any further, and let him to show it by himself, but I'm rea= lly excited I=C3=B1igo> with his work. As am I. There=CA=BCs no hurry, but I look forward to testing it. Robert