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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326895 Archived-At: Pip Cet writes: > Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: > >> Pip Cet writes: >> >>> =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: >>>> With igc the pauses are still there, but they much shorter and >>>> predictable, they no longer distract me from thinking on what I'm >>>> writing, which is a huge improvement. I suspect that some of those >>>> pauses are not related to garbage collection (executing code and moving >>>> data also takes time.) >>> >>> Quite possible. Even if it is GC, please keep in mind that MPS has many >>> settings which you can play with, and it can improve things a lot. It's >>> not too early to become a fan of the scratch/igc branch, but it is too >>> early to reject it for performance reasons. It's a "heads you lose, ta= ils I >>> win" situation, I guess. >>> >>>> TL/DR: now I enjoy using Emacs with this setup and I'm no longer tempt= ed >>>> to switch to other editors for this type of work. >>> >>> I think this is an important point: ultimately, it's about having daily >>> drivers. We need to remove the remaining impediments for that: >>> >>> 1. The signal issue. I don't have a good way to fix this and make >>> everyone happy, but I do have a solution which hasn't caused a crash for >>> me in quite a while. It may be good enough. >> >> TBH, I'd have put it in already. > > Pushed it now. It is imperfect, but better than crashing. 100%. Thanks! > >>> 2. no-purespace. Merging that into scratch/igc would help, well, me. >>> What do others think? >> >> Doesn't affect me much. > > Well, it does cause some noise, so I thought I'd ask first. > > Pip That's nice of you.