From: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>,
emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Package initialization
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 18:37:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2oaj8gl2h.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <21931.51113.826895.663216@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Mon, 20 Jul 2015 00:52:09 +0900")
On Mon, Jul 20 2015, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> > Calling it lazily when a SLIME related command is invoked the
> > first time would kinda work for SLIME, but it would be rather strange
> > that say the slime-connect command implicitly adds hooks to
> > lisp-mode-hook.
>
> Why is that stranger than saying that slime-setup implicitly adds
> hooks to lisp-mode-hook? Or stranger than saying that simply
> installing the SLIME package on your system implicitly adds hooks to
> lisp-mode-hook?
Because slime-connect is supposed to create a connection to an external
process. Not mess around in with some mode-hooks and minor-modes.
> > In general, lazy initialization would also not work well if those
> > autoloaded commands should be bound to keys because before the
> > first invocation the keys would not be bound.
>
> Why would you expect them to be bound? The existence of a package
> doesn't necessarily mean that the user wants it invoked at startup.
> If the user does want those keys bound, I don't see why it's a problem
> to have the user put a call to slime-setup in .emacs, or put it on
> lisp-mode-hook itself.
>
> If users really object to that, well, you're right -- the XEmacs
> policy would not satisfy their requirements. But in a setup where
> package installation implies package initialization, putting a call to
> slime-setup in .emacs looks quite silly.
package.el seems to be so designed that package installation implies
package initialization. I don't like that but I can't change it.
Helmut
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-07-19 16:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-07-18 15:56 Package initialization Helmut Eller
2015-07-18 17:16 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-07-18 19:00 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-18 19:20 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-07-18 22:56 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-18 23:07 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-07-18 23:29 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-18 23:48 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-07-19 0:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-07-19 7:23 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-19 8:10 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-07-19 9:58 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-19 10:07 ` David Kastrup
2015-07-19 10:11 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-19 10:27 ` David Kastrup
2015-07-19 10:33 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-19 10:38 ` David Kastrup
2015-07-19 10:41 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-19 10:51 ` David Kastrup
2015-07-19 10:11 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-07-19 10:14 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-19 10:35 ` bruce.connor.am
2015-07-19 10:48 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-19 11:35 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-07-19 10:54 ` David Kastrup
2015-07-19 11:34 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-07-19 12:09 ` David Kastrup
2015-07-19 12:33 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-07-19 16:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-07-19 15:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-07-19 16:37 ` Helmut Eller [this message]
2015-07-20 1:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-07-20 17:01 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-20 17:25 ` Chad Brown
2015-07-20 18:12 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-20 19:09 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-07-20 20:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-21 5:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-07-21 6:40 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-25 4:42 ` Alexis
2015-07-19 16:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-07-20 0:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-07-20 16:33 ` Helmut Eller
2015-07-20 22:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-07-21 5:53 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-07-21 6:45 ` David Kastrup
2015-07-21 6:05 ` Helmut Eller
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