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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id tu9sm6362067pac.0.2015.11.10.16.37.53 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:37:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.attlocal.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 219F2105425C6; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:37:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9e33129a-07d0-4abe-a94e-32d6d881519b@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:32:43 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Drew Adams , Stephen Leake , David Engster , aaronecay@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stromeko@nexgo.de, Dmitry Gutov , Eli Zaretskii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194022 Archived-At: >>>>> Drew Adams writes: > I haven't yet received an answer to my question whether anything will change > for users, depending on where you happen to manage the code wrt ELPA etc. > > But it sounds like the answer is yes. If some stuff that has traditionally > been part of the distribution gets moved to (net) ELPA, it will no longer be > distributed to users. They will need to pull it down using the package > interface. Is that right? Correct. Sorry I assumed that the discussion had answered your question in passing. > If so, I'm not crazy about that. I don't particularly want to go fishing in > (net) ELPA for stuff that I've always been able to simply grep from within > the distribution `lisp' directory. Especially, but not only, when I am not > on the Internet. Those things could then be in tarball ELPA. The distinction between tarball ELPA and net ELPA is much more plastic than core and tarball ELPA. In fact, I have a feeling that, initially, tarball ELPA and net ELPA will just be the same thing, until we have a reason to tease them apart. > I hope you will continue to (also) distribute Emacs with all of its > (traditional) source code, and not just make users request it from (net) > ELPA. This is my preference as well. John