From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The importance of secrecy Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 12:45:48 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87zi23bg67.fsf@gmail.com> <87efjd3alj.fsf@gmail.com> <878t9dw3it.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1524599055 19207 195.159.176.226 (24 Apr 2018 19:44:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:44:15 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (darwin) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 24 21:44:11 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fB3rG-0004tt-J3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 21:44:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60545 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB3tN-0007gw-C5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:46:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34179) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB3t0-0007XD-33 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:45:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB3sv-0004Hz-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:45:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43639) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB3sv-0004Hr-0K; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:45:53 -0400 Original-Received: from auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.228]:48121) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fB3su-0006ST-P4; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:45:52 -0400 Original-Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BD220C7F; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:45:52 -0400 X-ME-Sender: Original-Received: from localhost (76-234-69-149.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [76.234.69.149]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8B44910262; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 15:45:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:57:15 -0400") Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224838 Archived-At: >>>>> "SM" == Stefan Monnier writes: SM> BTW, I think using "porn" as a humorous justification for secrecy is SM> detrimental since it promotes the view that secrecy is only used for SM> objectionable activities, along the lines of "I don't need secrecy because SM> I have nothing to hide". Indeed. As someone whose wife's friends in Iran are actually being imprisoned on religious groups, the ability to promote education and other activities deemed "subversive" by the current regime depends entirely on one's ability to maintain private communications. This is what I think about when these issues come up. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2