From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250397 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2020 11:22:23 -0400, Stefan Monnier said: >> To replace the two that we have already? People who want to do this >> tend to be very technically capable, I don=CA=BCt see the need. Stefan> There's an argument to be made that "we" should encourage the u= se of Tor Stefan> (tho this "we" isn't specifically "we, the Free Software commun= ity" but it's Stefan> a community with a non-negligible overlap). That=CA=BCs a separate argument, but it pleads more for us to document how to do this than to write code. Robert