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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255216 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:00:41 +0000, Gregory Heytings via "Emacs devel= opment discussions." said: Emacs> You mention "doc strings", but why on earth would a user who just Emacs> started using Emacs read doc strings? How are we to get them to grow as Emacs users if they don=CA=BCt learn how to learn about Emacs? There are far too many posts on reddit/stackexchange etc which are easily solved by just reading the bundled manuals/docstrings. Robert