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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323201 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 11:17:12 +0200 >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: martin rudalics >> >> > (Background is of course that I'm trying to assess how much work is >> > ahead, and if I want to do it :-). >> >> I suppose that visibility and restacking of child frames and size >> changes of child frames and their ancestors are the corner issues. Once >> these have been resolved, the code should be pushed and you should wait >> for user feedback. >> >> Many thanks for lifting the "Note that child frames are meaningful on >> graphical terminals only." restriction, martin > > Another feature to test with child frames on TTY displays is menus, > both from the menu bar and popup menus. Yes, thanks for the hint. Also, dialogs are probably also affected in some way. > From where I stand, features that are perhaps hard to implement for > child frames on TTY displays could be documented as unsupported, and > could either do nothing or signal an error. IOW, we don't have to > support everything on TTY frames in this regard, if doing so is > currently hard or impossible. The feature, even if limited, is still > useful enough, from my POV. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.