From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Carbon port emacs-unicode-2 build problem under MacOSX Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:24:22 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: References: <47305F6E.2030204@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1194413087 7283 80.91.229.12 (7 Nov 2007 05:24:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:24:47 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 07 06:24:50 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IpdPF-0001sq-T4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:24:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpdP4-0001SE-Pr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:24:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IpdP0-0001PQ-L0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:24:34 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IpdP0-0001Oy-2o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:24:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpdOz-0001Or-Vv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:24:34 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IpdOz-0004QE-NE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:24:34 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IpdOu-0000Lh-Lb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:24:28 +0000 Original-Received: from c-67-186-103-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([67.186.103.18]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:24:28 +0000 Original-Received: from tzz by c-67-186-103-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:24:28 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 55 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-67-186-103-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:1iTeYhOcsZU74o9SDen71T4WGNE= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:82707 Archived-At: On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:13:12 +0900 YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:26:53 -0600, Ted Zlatanov said: >> After trying the Cocoa port, it's actually much better than the >> Carbon port, YM> Could you precisely describe in what aspects you think it's "much YM> better"? Well, the short answer is that it actually takes input from the keyboard. I'd say that's a big improvement over today's Carbon port builds. That aside, it has better integration with the MacOS, a nice Preferences dialog, better font rendering, and other improvements listed in the ChangeLog. >> and Carbon is deprecated on MacOS according to Apple YM> If it were really deprecated, Apple wouldn't have added any new YM> frameworks to Carbon in Leopard. According to this article: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.ars/6 "Yep, it's (finally) the end of the line for Carbon GUI applications in Mac OS X. Oh, sure, they'll be around for years and years to come, but the lack of 64-bit support is a long-term death sentence. The last vestiges of the original Macintosh API are finally being put to rest. They've done their job and are being given a decent burial, I think. A slow, almost natural transition. Bugs will be fixed in the 32-bit Carbon APIs, of course, but no new features will be added. All new GUI APIs in Leopard and future Mac OS X releases will be added as Cocoa-only APIs." This is based on Apple's official announcements, not the author's opinion. >> (10.5 compilations report deprecated symbols for many Carbon >> functions). YM> Did that cause any real problems? YM> I'm asking because they are related not only to the effectively YM> unmaintained Carbon port for Emacs 23 but also to the maintained one YM> for Emacs 22. No, deprecation warnings are not a problem in themselves, they indicate the API will go away. That's their purpose, generally. I assumed that the deprecation warnings I saw while compiling the Carbon port were Apple's way of telling developers the Carbon APIs are deprecated. Am I wrong? Ted