From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:44:43 -0500 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <87ehf1cwc4.fsf@maru.md5i.com> <20130331220136.GA16863@saturn> <83ip44iw3b.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1365097497 16229 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2013 17:44:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:44:57 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 04 19:45:25 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UNoDv-0001O5-JG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 19:45:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49280 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNoDW-0000zI-Q6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:44:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48197) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNoDS-0000z5-SC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:44:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNoDR-0006LV-6K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:44:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a]:39879) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNoDQ-0006Km-Sw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 13:44:49 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id k13so980045wgh.5 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:44:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:subject:organization:references :mail-followup-to:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=BqkwvURQP+oms2f7FaaxRQmusUCwfQ1yFiu0qoix+YU=; b=DYaYExTAaAL6GJupCkimpbI9zqOwfZArW+98RaJoqgqC/KZI/zMumnBOtmU69vCM6t ww+TN778DSelUhNNUmr9dt1Hq68DNbF8qSrwt7FRSjtzeo34VnOe0wgZca44GPxI3UY8 XUglZps1ltjildm16/OglI9gG2BTtCszd2UZLj7C4kHrV5yO5eSN2lsuxbedhC9cm+UL Elt65DOM4pKMCnP8/pgVfF3/eNpzrVlKD9ZXJ+9QQI2w/U3aIt6rrVbMy5qI+MpD7dH4 bGCBzu4QrUT0wsfsDxMNpGjF1ELovLM6UewpVZIImM94JYsEiIC/N2mIB8KrHNdvUn+E xSCA== X-Received: by 10.194.157.42 with SMTP id wj10mr11300665wjb.12.1365097487496; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Hermes.local (fl-65-41-145-75.sta.embarqhsd.net. [65.41.145.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h10sm17636876wic.8.2013.04.04.10.44.45 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 321ECA4CCDD; Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:44:44 -0500 (CDT) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <83ip44iw3b.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 02 Apr 2013 22:14:16 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158651 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > Are you saying that the project should choose its VCS because you personally > use it exclusively, or because you personally don't want to learn a new UI? Hi Eli, I was giving my personal reasons for starting up this thread. What's best for the project is a separate matter, and if you ask me I think it should be put to a vote among those of us who contribute to Emacs' development. As a data point: if Emacs does decide on Git, I'll become a more active contributor again; if it doesn't, I have other things to do. Bzr/Mercurial is enough of a "joy-stealing" barrier that -- like now -- I would not be interested in submitting my work upstream. And this same situation is true for some others as well, as evidenced by voices on this mailing list. If that counts for little, then OK, it counts for little. But there is room for expressing preferences here, since this is a volunteer effort, and not a faceless enterprise. With respect, John