From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 2056db3: Rationalize use of c[ad]+r, expunging cl-c[ad]\{3, 4\}r. Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 09:05:41 -0500 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <20150405125047.6847.66246@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20150406100840.GA2589@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1428329188 19205 80.91.229.3 (6 Apr 2015 14:06:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 14:06:28 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 06 16:06:28 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yf7fW-0005OZ-3T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 16:06:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40255 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yf7fV-0004BA-7W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 10:06:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43167) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yf7fI-0004B4-PQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 10:06:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yf7fD-0004E0-MY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 10:06:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ig0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c05::236]:33213) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yf7fD-0004Dj-HX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 10:06:07 -0400 Original-Received: by ignm3 with SMTP id m3so19873865ign.0 for ; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=WVzurozgY3QDDOYr1vqR+1WPQDDhsvVRm/BEOHRxEDc=; b=RPX8ujHmJXb+fufrXCghAGZshL38YwiLayQmE6upRgw5cWQvhYBT1GwCJ9pFX/Jz2o nDk97VlHUViaTZwfR0sFH8N5IoV2gUWrNomXW0mCJeZu99pfvOo2dnBLMC3tJKWTS/9h LGh9T5D5f1jss51dMH1ege7t7nbghRlLoJyXLeMs66rCKaGbkkdg6XUmY1tHE5vm4XT0 C583oM+w+mCaB6Cn8Lp1SWtF6sNPIx4Qf4r1yWux7NxBqZlrc9SJMlOzANC3Pq81OufD DJfus6qJqZFW//9I08JsetYbbCUxnoCg+tSCieIObjR0L0eErM5Qj8lvzVOGCYcpPIOP iZjg== X-Received: by 10.107.152.211 with SMTP id a202mr22611787ioe.59.1428329167131; Mon, 06 Apr 2015 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (c-98-214-120-98.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.214.120.98]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m5sm2784013ioi.4.2015.04.06.07.06.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Apr 2015 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0F02287911BE; Mon, 6 Apr 2015 09:06:05 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 06 Apr 2015 09:03:03 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185034 Archived-At: >>>>> Stefan Monnier writes: > If you want them without "cl-" then they need to go to subr.el. As I said, > I'm not yet convinced it's a good idea, but I'm not necessarily dead set > against it. I do not like this cl- prefix generally, so as long as there is a way around it, I'm OK. With caaar in particular, the fact that switching from caar to caaar (and back, which does happen in my coding) would require my knowing that I need to add and remove a cl- prefix as I do so. Again, this is cured if cl.el has a macro to drop the cl-. John