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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ck9sm5461926pad.28.2015.11.10.10.54.54 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:54:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.attlocal.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6CA201052435B; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:54:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83r3jxlmfu.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:49:09 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, aaronecay@gmail.com, Stromeko@nexgo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193929 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Large packages like CEDET should move outside of Emacs.git and into >> Elpa.git. > "Should" based on what? just the fact that it's large? I think we should > decide this stuff on a case by case basis. For example: I'm surprised you say this, Eli, because in another thread you agree that packages like this should be in Elpa, didn't you? >> If xref.el depends on CEDET, it would move to Elpa.git as well. > IMO, the exact opposite: if there are core features that we want to be in > Emacs no matter what, and those features depend on a package which could be > a candidate to move to ELPA, that package should NOT move to ELPA. Core should provide functionality along the lines of a "standard library" and a "standard environment", where having them in core is as much a statement about consistency of interface, as it is about universal availability of the functionality. Since xref.el does not need to depend on CEDET, I don't see a reason why it should, causing CEDET to remain in core. John