From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Speed of keyboard macro execution? 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w85sm20964779pfa.48.2015.12.10.17.14.55 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Dec 2015 17:14:55 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 125F311424455; Thu, 10 Dec 2015 17:14:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <878u51swr0.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:35:15 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: David Kastrup , "Perry E. Metzger" , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196083 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> David Kastrup writes: > My claim is not about "right" but "useful" behavior. We've had one other > person state that he switches off visual-line-mode always since keyboard > macros would otherwise be useless. Of course that's one possibility, but > visual-line-mode is actually useful for _visual_ navigation. Which is not > what happens during macro execution since the computer executes the recor= ded > keys without human intervention. Which makes sense in _similar_ but not > identical situations (for identical situations, one could just copy and > paste the result repeatedly). And non-identical situations will sometimes > have lines wrapped visually and sometimes not without that being related = to > the structure of the modified text. I think we're presupposing what users want, and that is no reason to change= a long-standing default. You can always disable visual movement during record= ing and playback manually; I don't see why it needs to happen automatically now. If you want a customization option to auto-disable visual movement during recording and playback, it should be easy to achieve with advice. Give it a try for a few months, and then tell me if you really find it to be a quality of life improvement. If so, I'd welcome the customization. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJWaiOIAAoJEMFE2PTxn+Yww6kMAJ3hgxI5F1F326jmZZ+xyuIp +8edxUlP3LQyTLdjcp10Ig7aPUD2y8qug4a+mLkEvqMla3mhNUGERCpLhHDL17cV TuXz+qOjdlVu+Gd+LbQj5OUXqh9LbRFU2Qk2Zv0bcjot5/laKgULeD3it2b8Avmd DBNvC/QK4Iv6nBsWLxhjmT/wDcll/0nc/S0Be2kB/vudx8RDBDR9GwDkmzWmI1Ju Py+3BHjO3P+NB4uhGzVsrF6szmNo+AzeotY8Y5bnP05tcpUV7W59ESEs3fELEVn2 R7693cAALFG9Mxk+I1O0f03X7nPK0KPJS6x2IbVjNY4bvXzXt6jNBMe6AJk45/DH rtQMzmqZRK1WccDS4YUBzncPEA9dE8qGs2tDCEx7VrdPRZtvFG+dTcLq8fRMVZNV NmG5F+xoPZXoBTRGJq5lIwtjrRr8FScN6nkaf3WTvzSk7IQKbnhk9zo1L/XbZYCQ J1lnkvM1I2mLga1Azib8rzyLaoFkCKhSLhHYblSKvg== =9qeP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--