From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 17:38:38 -0700 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443746340 9429 80.91.229.3 (2 Oct 2015 00:39:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 00:39:00 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 02 02:38:59 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhoNB-0001vg-0A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 02:38:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56804 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhoNA-0001mQ-8S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:38:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59419) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhoN6-0001mF-9e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:38:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhoN1-0004kZ-BU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:38:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234]:35166) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZhoN1-0004k2-5h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 20:38:43 -0400 Original-Received: by pacfv12 with SMTP id fv12so91672492pac.2 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 17:38:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:date:organization:message-id :references:user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=22yUHxKclO7oizuSGnL9uFm7EenOl+8BzD8N2JjgwG4=; b=guXfPkgG+S21B9ozzEEkktSJjfIsRBcKpPqvGPDvhwbyq7kUjovbJTm3Lv6DFCDX0u Swt3klJlY8BFywr5jnmYwE6oV163rnhgzug8yI3obeOhuYVZPNZXnmTNERsJzEUn1fBn ECprRbUr5M4RfCyZf96JHZF/HN91EKijw1AsXyg0gFvzhTHbQvo/Az56DuDCtBri/yOt mu7sehCv+wMzRSd9k5eWOsrdgs8MxGwpXT7C2GmfQwUXUdy/pxOxnbSXN1+wnNVdwKfw 9assETB2kNEACNwUreQycLg3PyqA7aWRKe/ffEuoQUyz9HNqq/R/8DguA17dkVmTmLYu dwMA== X-Received: by 10.66.236.129 with SMTP id uu1mr16046640pac.34.1443746322435; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 17:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Vulcan.local (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id yq2sm8968433pbb.39.2015.10.01.17.38.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Oct 2015 17:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 858B6F00FF53; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 17:38:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> (Yoni Rabkin's message of "Thu, 01 Oct 2015 17:18:13 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190612 Archived-At: >>>>> Yoni Rabkin writes: > You've manufactured that distinction artificially in order to make people > think that the two are mutually exclusive. Please don't do that. How can it > be the best possible GNU/Emacs if it doesn't respect my freedom? I have contrasted attending to the politics of the FSF with the technical needs of Emacs, and asked which one was primary in the search for a maintainer. That is all. >>>>> David Kastrup writes: > I wouldn't go as far as calling this "ethical skills" but yes, it seems like > a cultural mismatch that would appear likely to cause considerable friction > in choosing consistent priorities for ongoing development. It's possible this is true. I don't seek to change anything about Emacs from a legal standpoint, but I would be more vocal in wanting better support for non- GNU platforms, such as OS X. If this makes me an undesirable candidate, that's quite understandable. But know that first and foremost I care about *Emacs*, and not the politics of the FSF. If that's more important than technical considerations, let the maintainer be chosen accordingly. John