From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:39:20 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87tuwabm5a.fsf@gnus.org> <9fb02447-6189-490f-a6ee-3d037492e0e6@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13621"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Drew Adams , Emacs developers To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 10 15:40:38 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGMoX-0003Rj-ET for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:40:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38824 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGMoW-0000DL-HO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:40:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39914) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGMnN-0007lJ-I5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:39:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wr1-x42d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::42d]:45783) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGMnL-0001K1-PY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:39:25 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wr1-x42d.google.com with SMTP id x14so6716771wrl.12 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 06:39:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hPYOJJ7+IaDw3e/3i9AQl/DdSca9YIN7JZS9MZTsNbY=; b=l6cW0gKC73Z1z4zJWQNq8VfHCmlfWrHdboUcgt89XnkT874tNLv+/Sy0wyhFFnjxGC qVC7gcqQEG5grp+xydY8ELys32SuSSxVlo3/aNCaT3Ms/2e8T6eYpmaUquVu2XDXRZh3 dutnq/pQkMIbQDnyqTMD0dAltLrCHRElc4qRY3HiywoGUIRSsoHwtqClsdyHAdPTEQxY Lro6qJrOxilqQacw74+dLeugFcdqgRjCFhNFYTkWQFVhMoxYsDN1rAocY5K8YaRf7T3T no9cmXryg0YzW6inuj2tuuBVSz7GCe/ufibEbR1lLhGW6/LxQfZcZxaaTv1z2c5k8awr Hitw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hPYOJJ7+IaDw3e/3i9AQl/DdSca9YIN7JZS9MZTsNbY=; b=MevfNAq6Dy9ZjIURoYO4diEd0jFKs1dfJxpoj2kKSwE2VO64Txpoi4mXWL+kHUJVow VjVhHbSYE0b4fKFHYlgRN45hGgx3PvLiAwCg2qTt8RJ9qdh7EOh/HkuZvet6N3xlcViJ YzZ+nLNA2BfjquqS1N5m+S97VrTlOAf3QJuJDEzQZASzAwAkycs+87LQRcQE5/+zgk47 Ch+mqiClBW2BKh1gYcnHNxHRV37bTwfJB0nlTtVq66NJFw2CkoXiGLWwv7UuKs/mBZaf gBxmomXrWqHgDS7/OcSTk5NKSAaDLCQhMnqg95cbHCid9JodaIdEFuaopOxfOoha73Cb jdlw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530R9XZi7DQse6PcG4hnQUQ2J9/SlC+i7rud24TH6qnyVqja3IIX 8U1+B7UG919JV++mtVBcZOR5WVemlS8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwve+GpgW/lcKq9V8VedIYn4RmruXRlZOEcjNhMR7x2ZURSbFSs1xRHLnwDO/oZl/rX5BHe5Q== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6acf:: with SMTP id u15mr8912486wrw.221.1599745161918; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from rpluim-mac ([2a01:e34:ecfc:a860:8c16:d3f4:7c3b:1764]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o9sm8855582wrw.58.2020.09.10.06.39.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 10 Sep 2020 06:39:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Gregory Heytings's message of "Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:04:47 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::42d; envelope-from=rpluim@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x42d.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254998 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:04:47 +0000, Gregory Heytings sa= id: >>=20 >> Yes, that matches the Mailman documentation. I=CA=BCm not sure what a >> good solution is; Mailman adding a Reply-To with both the sender and >> emacs-devel would no doubt also break either Outlook or rmail or >> both. Not adding a Reply-To at all means the sender would get >> dropped . >>=20 Gregory> In fact not adding a Reply-To would be perfect, at least for Gregory> me. Presumably someone who sends a message to a list has subsc= ribed to Gregory> the list, of if they are not, it's common to mention explicitl= y that Gregory> they are not. That works if their email address is mentioned in one of the headers of the message, but in this case yours wouldn=CA=BCt be (unless you CC yourself explicitly, which is an imposition on the sender) DMARC/DKIM/SPF, what hath ye wrought? Robert