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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312973 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann >> Cc: Michael Heerdegen , rms@gnu.org, >> sbaugh@janestreet.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 13:16:58 +0100 >>=20 >> But to the full truth also belongs that Richard has stopped programming >> completely in 2008 > > 'git log --author=3D"rms@gnu.org" --pretty=3Dformat:"%an%x09%ad%x09%s"' > begs to differ, FWIW. I was remembering some interview I read on the Internet, which I can't find anymore. Anyway, https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html seems to say some similar: My favorite programming languages are Lisp and C. However, since around 1992 I have worked mainly on free software activism, which means I am too busy to do much programming. Around 2008 I stopped doing programming projects. As a result, I have not had time or occasion to learn newer languages such as Perl, Python, PHP, Ruby, Lua, Go, Scala, Rust, and so on. Therefore, I don't have an opinion about them as languages. >> and that he doesn't seem to be very familiar with current Elisp > > ?? How is "current ELisp" different from 2008-vintage ELisp? CLOS, generalized variables, pcase, apparently, I don't know.