From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Visit New File menu item Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:02:38 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87oaaldk94.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87r3fhoslg.fsf@fastmail.fm> <5bbe5c17ea420ab05bb8b71d0305e7d1.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com> <83shzvf3ha.fsf@gnu.org> <83k2l6fjq0.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: John Wiegley NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457888598 25387 80.91.229.3 (13 Mar 2016 17:03:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 17:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 13 18:03:09 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1af9Q5-0005E7-KJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:03:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36843 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1af9Q4-0006Hc-6v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:03:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33656) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1af9Pq-0006HT-1X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:02:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1af9Pp-0008OE-2s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:02:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]:33354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1af9Pk-0008NF-7a; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:02:48 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-io0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id n190so198518730iof.0; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:02:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:reply-to:mail-followup-to:mime-version; bh=KE+7vtTSg9ZBaE++CEdQwW87e4efWtjJejo3N1XIaQE=; b=e9z83Oq1spZJKyGZOlCoKSCa9nHlpA8dc7TUXr1AZtd+6yvE3cL3VrIQuK69wIXOfw jNGFlXefw6Wt2OVF0uw6zRaL2YHwNe/rpFlHo/YKDZhFmdj0fYH582TJr8/1BcRi/yMq GTlp9Yrj69/q6/h7vmN7woLeoJ/jlB33dAl9qmucdFzIFwq7oFuNOPkdjal4+utZU9X0 F72tW9ybb3fm9MYwmML/COcfdVifEBlO6MHnfrClQlT4FKJWb2zp8GJLwRRz3dTergeD iJfoOXXD9I/L5fILFwOfCg91ezYkUSgbv18s5zzgC3eLJP9KeOnjm+r9lxgqz7sNzNrm Tudw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:user-agent:reply-to:mail-followup-to:mime-version; bh=KE+7vtTSg9ZBaE++CEdQwW87e4efWtjJejo3N1XIaQE=; b=K23VG4SnknUS+WiGuVNMWgTsQ008eRCH390LSN8eW6X4nk//TSqwJLq2dPr0+tTWnR N1ChBVK2bVEvUr4FJSKjto3hX15vH/t5MPPkc8LHhUlN1CnrjM4eZxEc+YM6G5iczY5L MQbzYmq0hLHA9HhCF6yAf0e839g4oPLQttM/J4gCiR7gmgDqiAtwH17ahtMluDKOu7xW KpKJYdMQbOgGJJSVmvvt72Ytcb9C2/pFxMmTLj20Pp6fuI+hYjgEapiQDqeI5/3pF6uY KVzbq876UG6CJMLrJpa1LPOKjKT7YV6+0EIpvHzR1krVb/kTW7kXqgKjpCuL+AfGx+/K v48w== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJI7Yj9tACW9HyBfaLn6LRpGWySsq2yy77XyKIP4rcEf5p1Q8qY4ee7SsWaeMl1kVQ== X-Received: by 10.107.25.68 with SMTP id 65mr22461308ioz.98.1457888567508; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Hermes.local (mail.johnwiegley.com. [208.82.103.192]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id uh4sm4935882igb.15.2016.03.13.10.02.46 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:02:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: John Wiegley Original-Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2F3904F28AE9; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:02:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83k2l6fjq0.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:03:51 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, rms@gnu.org, joostkremers@fastmail.fm, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201606 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > It's okay to revisit that decision, but such changes should not be done > during a pretest, no matter how simple they look: you never know what > baggage they could bring with them, and pretest must not change behavior, > unless required to fix a bug. > Also, such changes should be discussed more thoroughly, waiting for > interested parties to chime in. E.g., one problem with "New File" is that= we > don't actually enforce the "new" part -- you can visit an existing file v= ia > that menu item. Not sure how important this nit is, but OTOH that single > word "Visit" is also hardly so very important that we should rush making = the > change overnight. You make excellent points, Eli. Phillip, I'm sorry to give you the go ahead and then turn it around, but I can't ignore Eli's wise counsel on this point. Can one of you please revert this for emacs-25? (I'm traveling at the momen= t). After, let's discuss which menu options we might want to change and why, so that others have more of a chance to chime in. Although there was a mini- consensus on "New File", maybe we didn't give it enough time. 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