From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 09:50:19 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20191117113054.49837.qmail@mail.muc.de> <87pnhq7mxg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bltaz9g4.fsf@telefonica.net> <834kz25qp9.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2wexsv1.fsf@telefonica.net> <20191118175639.08d02820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="188888"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (darwin) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Perry E. Metzger" To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 20 17:52:32 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iXTDU-000mwN-6Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 17:52:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60604 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iXTDT-0002Nj-1I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:52:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48913) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iXTCu-0002LC-A5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:51:57 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43818) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iXTCt-0004oH-G1; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:51:55 -0500 Original-Received: from auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.227]:53281) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iXTCm-0000V0-Gt; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:51:48 -0500 Original-Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7377321C29; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:51:47 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:51:47 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudehtddgledvucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffvufgjfffkfhgfgggtsehttdertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpeflohhhnhcu hghivghglhgvhicuoehjohhhnhifsehgnhhurdhorhhgqeenucffohhmrghinhepnhgvfi grrhhtihhsrghnshdrtghomhenucfkphepieeirddvtddurdehledrhedtnecurfgrrhgr mhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjohhhnhifodhmvghsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonhgrlh hithihqdeikeejkedtleeggedqudejjeehfeekudeiqdhjohhhnhifpeepghhnuhdrohhr ghesnhgvfigrrhhtihhsrghnshdrtghomhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [66.201.59.50]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 05CEC8005B; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:51:45 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:19:39 -0500") Mail-Followup-To: Richard Stallman , "Perry E. Metzger" , ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242502 Archived-At: >>>>> Richard Stallman writes: > The functioning of Emacs is a different area. There, we should put some > effort into facilitin learning Emacs, by simplifying interfaces when we can. I agree completely. Emacs itself should be suited to what works best for the largest number, and not only the members of emacs-devel. It's the tooling around it that favors those who use it most right now. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2