From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ben Mezger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why not set Emacs development workflow based on the popular git forges (GitHub, Bitbucket, Gitlab, ect)? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273879 Archived-At: I don't think a follow-up in this thread is necessary, as there is a huge thread already in place concerning this discussion, but: > OTOH, Linux kernel [1] has already adopted GitHub as its development > platform, which is also complete free and a classic example of > successful free software. Not really, no. The Linux's Github repo is only a mirror of the repository, however, no PR, discussion happen there, and those that do happen, are ignored. Hongyi Zhao writes: > On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 7:24 PM Po Lu wrote: >> >> > Nowadays, the large software projects often conduct the development on >> > the workflow supplied by git forges (GitHub, Bitbucket, GitLab, >> > etc.). But it seems that Emacs is still developed directly on git, as >> > described here [1], which makes maintaining GNU Emacs development a >> > lot of extra work. >> >> GitHub, Bitbucket and GitLab require their users to run non-free >> software, which already disqualifies them for the development of GNU >> software. > > If so, I don't think there is such a complete free platform in the > world, even the SourceHut you mentioned below, which is also operated, > at least in part, as a commercial product. OTOH, Linux kernel [1] has > already adopted GitHub as its development platform, which is also > complete free and a classic example of successful free software. > >> There was recently a discussion (perhaps it is still in progress? I >> don't know) about moving to SourceHut, but I don't think it's gone >> anywhere. The problem seems to be that the present system exists and >> works, while nobody has sat down and completed the work required to >> migrate to a new one. > > I can't say anything. Almost all Emacs developers and users are > excellent programmers/scientists/engineers. But excellent people also > have their own beliefs, quirks and their inner bottom line. Sometimes > it may not be consistent with the prevailing trend, just like the > existence of Emacs itself. > >> Would you like to volunteer? :D > > Technically speaking, I think there are so many guys in Emacs > community have enough ability to do this. > > [1] https://github.com/torvalds/linux > > Best, Hongyi -- Kind regards, Met een vriendelijke groet, Atenciosamente, Ben Mezger https://seds.nl https://github.com/benmezger