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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294091 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Perhaps the question we should be studying is, "Which is the easiest > path to making Emacs handle graphical display well?" +1 We should look at the big picture and keep the discussion going until we know where to go long-term. Further, why not look at the other free projects that have solved the problem already? For example, I keep hearing about how Blender does a fantastic job with their UI, which is multi-platform and yet highly praised. The UI caters perfectly to the program and to the people who use it. That aligns with the "Emacs way" more than fighting GUI frameworks that keep changing with UX fashion like Gnome and GTK do, in my opinion. The Blender website says: > All the components that together make Blender are compatible under the > newer GNU GPL Version 3. That is also the license to use for any > distribution of Blender binaries. Could we learn anything from Blender? Obviously, Emacs has different requirements, such as a more advanced "text view" component, but what about the rest? Rudy --=20 "'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'" -- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass, 1871/1872 Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D [he/him] Studenohorsk=C3=A1 25 84103 Bratislava Slovakia