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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311665 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > frameset.el makes moderately heavy use of cl-lib, including at least two > externally visible cl-defun's where keyword parameters are used. It > would be a lot of work to replace cl-lib in this file, and doing this > might be viewed as ungenerous towards its author, Juanma Barranquero. Yes, that, and it would make an unmeasurable difference.