From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Questioning the new behavior of `open-line'. Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:13:34 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87vb98csu1.fsf@red-bean.com> <87h9kscqig.fsf@red-bean.com> <83vb98jqwp.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447269235 4410 80.91.229.3 (11 Nov 2015 19:13:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 19:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Karl Fogel , bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 11 20:13:51 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwaq6-0007px-GB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:13:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42525 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwaq6-0008Fs-Ci for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:13:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34590) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwaq0-0008DJ-Qw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:13:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwapz-0007GE-VQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:13:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232]:34705) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zwapw-0007FC-4E; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:13:40 -0500 Original-Received: by padhx2 with SMTP id hx2so38922841pad.1; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:13:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type; bh=9zbFdUgRLh36FGHl5zUE/HfEPboSKR5LbPQntELxt1U=; b=F0BAL1+HBKssoDZbIXBTduSqlUkXOMvC1duB47NUfcCerRuJNQ4IANs+GBE9Dxub5Y 9PLa7ZCP0vUSvmIURY6QRcNOkMP8HVwel4bRc00f/PjbtQmIhHeS0OboRhq/B/eHXl08 duKvw7SZ5GpW3HFZycPwnffuHknLzBbxPWT8SgTxo9/crJzcuS8ZnuNRZDD7grSEeEmq 1b4ovLdyvGax8nG2/7qzq+3f980rMhW50j0m1UnnEs0+civLuffMSg8/fkifnV/nVbtA aoZ94wnqhb29d+FEZoy8RAOufWXXQdDURpi+Ly5i4ikkdpyyvl1DT5Z+G0U5OQWFZrSJ iZYA== X-Received: by 10.66.100.226 with SMTP id fb2mr17174014pab.100.1447269219391; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:13:39 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Vulcan.attlocal.net (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id qw1sm10696402pbb.22.2015.11.11.11.13.37 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:13:38 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.attlocal.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3AC571055B7F3; Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:13:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83vb98jqwp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:07:50 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , Karl Fogel , bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194121 Archived-At: >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > People who don't like electric-indent-mode can just turn it off, can't they? > Why argue about defaults when they can be so easily changed? This is more about people who want to use electric-indent-mode, but don't want it changing previous defaults in a way that doesn't seem to be related to electric-indent-mode. I can imagine a new user experiencing this and having no clue that electric-indent-mode is the reason: Because it is enabled by default for them in 25.1 -- they never consciously turned it on to notice the difference in behavior -- so they wouldn't know it's coming from that source. Why is something like this being enabled by default, again? Or did I misread? I would expect any kind of automated behavior like this to be opt-in. John