From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen.") Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 21:30:55 -0700 Message-ID: References: <874kz0pa9y.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgmjyn60.fsf@gmx.de> <87imnezyt5.fsf@gmx.de> <835zjdz58t.fsf@gnu.org> <20191121175927.GA4836@ACM> <20191122020855.GA4085@ACM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="12914"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (darwin) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 22 05:31:33 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iY0bV-0003Dg-CZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 05:31:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47254 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iY0bS-0007lf-BK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 23:31:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59448) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iY0bM-0007lV-6j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 23:31:25 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47638) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iY0bL-0008Ko-Ke; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 23:31:23 -0500 Original-Received: from auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.227]:46609) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iY0bD-0007n6-3g; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 23:31:15 -0500 Original-Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F55323207; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 23:31:14 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 21 Nov 2019 23:31:14 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudehfedgieelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffvufgjfffkfhgfgggtsehttdertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpedflfhohhhn ucghihgvghhlvgihfdcuoehjohhhnhifsehgnhhurdhorhhgqeenucffohhmrghinhepnh gvfigrrhhtihhsrghnshdrtghomhenucfkphepleeirdduledrudelkedrfedtnecurfgr rhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjohhhnhifodhmvghsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonh grlhhithihqdeikeejkedtleeggedqudejjeehfeekudeiqdhjohhhnhifpeepghhnuhdr ohhrghesnhgvfigrrhhtihhsrghnshdrtghomhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Original-Received: from localhost (96-19-96-19-198-30.cpe.sparklight.net [96.19.198.30]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id ADC90306005E; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 23:31:13 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20191122020855.GA4085@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri, 22 Nov 2019 02:08:55 +0000") Mail-Followup-To: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242604 Archived-At: >>>>> "AM" == Alan Mackenzie writes: AM> I don't see what the above paragraph has to do with my sentence that you AM> quoted. I purposely didn't include Apple in my "companies like that". As AM> you note, Apple has other flaws. You seem to be denigrating what I said by AM> a straw man argument. I misread you then, Alan, my apologies. I actively avoid using Google software as well, because they install software without my consent that "phones home", so perhaps I'm more aligned with your sentiments than I had realized. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2