* --disable-features in 109483 @ 2012-08-07 12:48 Dmitry Antipov 2012-08-07 12:51 ` Carsten Mattner 2012-08-08 3:33 ` Chong Yidong 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Antipov @ 2012-08-07 12:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Emacs development discussions Commit 109483 introduces --disable-features, which is intended to build small executable with the minimal dependencies; if someone finds this option useless, confusing or just thinks that something like --enable-minimal-build may be a bit better, please let me know. Dmitry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-07 12:48 --disable-features in 109483 Dmitry Antipov @ 2012-08-07 12:51 ` Carsten Mattner 2012-08-07 13:59 ` Andreas Schwab 2012-08-08 3:33 ` Chong Yidong 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Carsten Mattner @ 2012-08-07 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dmitry Antipov; +Cc: Emacs development discussions On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Dmitry Antipov <dmantipov@yandex.ru> wrote: > Commit 109483 introduces --disable-features, which is intended to > build small executable with the minimal dependencies; if someone > finds this option useless, confusing or just thinks that something > like --enable-minimal-build may be a bit better, please let me know. --disable-features sounds like it has a mandatory list of features to disable like '--disable-features=xft,xml2'. --enable-minimal-build isn't as ambiguous. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-07 12:51 ` Carsten Mattner @ 2012-08-07 13:59 ` Andreas Schwab 2012-08-07 14:49 ` Dani Moncayo 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Andreas Schwab @ 2012-08-07 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Mattner; +Cc: Dmitry Antipov, Emacs development discussions Carsten Mattner <carstenmattner@gmail.com> writes: > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Dmitry Antipov <dmantipov@yandex.ru> wrote: >> Commit 109483 introduces --disable-features, which is intended to >> build small executable with the minimal dependencies; if someone >> finds this option useless, confusing or just thinks that something >> like --enable-minimal-build may be a bit better, please let me know. > > --disable-features sounds like it has a mandatory list of features to > disable like '--disable-features=xft,xml2'. --enable-minimal-build isn't > as ambiguous. Incidentally, --disable-foo never accepts an argument, whereas --enable-foo does (and --disable-foo is the same as --enable-foo=no). Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-07 13:59 ` Andreas Schwab @ 2012-08-07 14:49 ` Dani Moncayo 2012-08-07 21:36 ` chad 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Dani Moncayo @ 2012-08-07 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andreas Schwab Cc: Carsten Mattner, Dmitry Antipov, Emacs development discussions >>> Commit 109483 introduces --disable-features, which is intended to >>> build small executable with the minimal dependencies; if someone >>> finds this option useless, confusing or just thinks that something >>> like --enable-minimal-build may be a bit better, please let me know. >> >> --disable-features sounds like it has a mandatory list of features to >> disable like '--disable-features=xft,xml2'. --enable-minimal-build isn't >> as ambiguous. > > Incidentally, --disable-foo never accepts an argument, whereas > --enable-foo does (and --disable-foo is the same as --enable-foo=no). Another nitpick: IMO "--minimal-build" would be more brief and clear. -- Dani Moncayo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-07 14:49 ` Dani Moncayo @ 2012-08-07 21:36 ` chad 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: chad @ 2012-08-07 21:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dani Moncayo Cc: Carsten Mattner, Dmitry Antipov, Andreas Schwab, Emacs development discussions On 07 Aug 2012, at 07:49, Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@gmail.com> wrote: > Another nitpick: IMO "--minimal-build" would be more brief and clear. `./configure --minimal-build' should run `ln -s /bin/ed ${bindir}/emacs'. *Chad P.S. http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-07 12:48 --disable-features in 109483 Dmitry Antipov 2012-08-07 12:51 ` Carsten Mattner @ 2012-08-08 3:33 ` Chong Yidong 2012-08-08 4:10 ` Dmitry Antipov 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2012-08-08 3:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dmitry Antipov; +Cc: Emacs development discussions Dmitry Antipov <dmantipov@yandex.ru> writes: > Commit 109483 introduces --disable-features, which is intended to > build small executable with the minimal dependencies; if someone > finds this option useless, confusing or just thinks that something > like --enable-minimal-build may be a bit better, please let me know. You are missing a NEWS file. But in any case, I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this flag, or why, if it is supposed to build a minimal Emacs, X support is left enabled. Please explain the use-case. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-08 3:33 ` Chong Yidong @ 2012-08-08 4:10 ` Dmitry Antipov 2012-08-08 4:25 ` andres.ramirez ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Antipov @ 2012-08-08 4:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: Emacs development discussions On 08/08/2012 07:33 AM, Chong Yidong wrote: > You are missing a NEWS file. And doc/lispref/anti.texi too :-). > But in any case, I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this flag, or > why, if it is supposed to build a minimal Emacs, X support is left > enabled. Please explain the use-case. 1) Testing: check whether the work on FEATURE1, FEATURE2, ... FEATUREN do not broke the build without FEATURE1, ... and without all of these features. 2) Building small OS distribution to fit in CD, 100Mb or so. Such a distributions usually prefers vi{m} and/or small Emacs clones, but who knows; such a distribution is not necessary X-less. 3) Using minimalistic desktop environments on top of the old hardware. Dmitry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-08 4:10 ` Dmitry Antipov @ 2012-08-08 4:25 ` andres.ramirez 2012-08-08 4:25 ` andres.ramirez ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: andres.ramirez @ 2012-08-08 4:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dmitry Antipov; +Cc: Chong Yidong, Emacs development discussions Hi Dmitry. What is the size of this minimalist emacs? Probably. It could fit on my n800 :). Andrés At Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:10:35 +0400, Dmitry Antipov wrote: > > On 08/08/2012 07:33 AM, Chong Yidong wrote: > > > You are missing a NEWS file. > > And doc/lispref/anti.texi too :-). > > > But in any case, I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this flag, or > > why, if it is supposed to build a minimal Emacs, X support is left > > enabled. Please explain the use-case. > > 1) Testing: check whether the work on FEATURE1, FEATURE2, ... FEATUREN > do not broke the build without FEATURE1, ... and without all of these > features. > > 2) Building small OS distribution to fit in CD, 100Mb or so. Such > a distributions usually prefers vi{m} and/or small Emacs clones, > but who knows; such a distribution is not necessary X-less. > > 3) Using minimalistic desktop environments on top of the old hardware. > > Dmitry > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-08 4:10 ` Dmitry Antipov 2012-08-08 4:25 ` andres.ramirez @ 2012-08-08 4:25 ` andres.ramirez 2012-08-08 6:39 ` Dmitry Antipov 2012-08-08 7:02 ` Chong Yidong 2012-08-08 12:31 ` Stefan Monnier 3 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: andres.ramirez @ 2012-08-08 4:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dmitry Antipov; +Cc: Chong Yidong, Emacs development discussions Hi Dmitry. What is the size of this minimalist emacs? Probably. It could fit on my n800 :). Andrés At Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:10:35 +0400, Dmitry Antipov wrote: > > On 08/08/2012 07:33 AM, Chong Yidong wrote: > > > You are missing a NEWS file. > > And doc/lispref/anti.texi too :-). > > > But in any case, I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this flag, or > > why, if it is supposed to build a minimal Emacs, X support is left > > enabled. Please explain the use-case. > > 1) Testing: check whether the work on FEATURE1, FEATURE2, ... FEATUREN > do not broke the build without FEATURE1, ... and without all of these > features. > > 2) Building small OS distribution to fit in CD, 100Mb or so. Such > a distributions usually prefers vi{m} and/or small Emacs clones, > but who knows; such a distribution is not necessary X-less. > > 3) Using minimalistic desktop environments on top of the old hardware. > > Dmitry > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-08 4:25 ` andres.ramirez @ 2012-08-08 6:39 ` Dmitry Antipov 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Dmitry Antipov @ 2012-08-08 6:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: andres.ramirez; +Cc: Emacs development discussions On 08/08/2012 08:25 AM, andres.ramirez wrote: > What is the size of this minimalist emacs? > Probably. It could fit on my n800 :). My 64-bit PC build is: default GTK3: 14186K executable, 75 library dependencies --disable-features --with-x-toolkit=no: 13250K executable, 18 library dependencies --disable-features --without-x: 12782K, 7 library dependencies. Note that 32-bit executables are much smaller (n800 is 32-bit ARM, IIUC). Also minimal build may imply -Os. Dmitry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-08 4:10 ` Dmitry Antipov 2012-08-08 4:25 ` andres.ramirez 2012-08-08 4:25 ` andres.ramirez @ 2012-08-08 7:02 ` Chong Yidong 2012-08-08 22:15 ` Richard Stallman 2012-08-08 12:31 ` Stefan Monnier 3 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2012-08-08 7:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dmitry Antipov; +Cc: Emacs development discussions Dmitry Antipov <dmantipov@yandex.ru> writes: > On 08/08/2012 07:33 AM, Chong Yidong wrote: > >> You are missing a NEWS file. > > And doc/lispref/anti.texi too :-). This kind of change probable not worth documenting in the Antinews. But anyway, the usual procedure is to document in NEWS first, then update the documentation later during the run up to the pretest. > 1) Testing: check whether the work on FEATURE1, FEATURE2, ... FEATUREN > do not broke the build without FEATURE1, ... and without all of these > features. > > 2) Building small OS distribution to fit in CD, 100Mb or so. Such > a distributions usually prefers vi{m} and/or small Emacs clones, > but who knows; such a distribution is not necessary X-less. > > 3) Using minimalistic desktop environments on top of the old hardware. (2) and (3) are very theoretical. If you are compiling on an old machine which doesn't doesn't have dbus libraries etc., configure already automatically omits them, so there's no benefit from this flag. As for people doing cross-compilation, like Debian packagers, they are already sophisticated enough to figure out the appropriate configure flags. Anyway, disabling support for various *shared* libraries to get a "performance improvement" is an instance of false optimization if there ever was one. (1) is a reasonable use, but only because you can do stuff like --disable-features --with-rsvg to re-enable rsvg. But this also indicates turning off X too. Also, I think the option should be renamed to --without-all, since it actually affects the --with/--without options rather than the --enable/--disable options. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-08 7:02 ` Chong Yidong @ 2012-08-08 22:15 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2012-08-08 22:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: dmantipov, emacs-devel anti.texi is for documentation for the old version if you have the manual for the new version. We mention the absence of major features, and when there was an incompatible change, we say how to use the old Emacs version, where that is different from how to use the new version. There are lots of user-visible changes we don't include in the antinews. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: --disable-features in 109483 2012-08-08 4:10 ` Dmitry Antipov ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2012-08-08 7:02 ` Chong Yidong @ 2012-08-08 12:31 ` Stefan Monnier 3 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2012-08-08 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dmitry Antipov; +Cc: Chong Yidong, Emacs development discussions > 2) Building small OS distribution to fit in CD, 100Mb or so. Such > a distributions usually prefers vi{m} and/or small Emacs clones, > but who knows; such a distribution is not necessary X-less. But then we'd need to figure out how to strip the rest of the installation (doc, leim, lisp, etc, ...). --disable-features only saves a small percentage of disk space overall. > 3) Using minimalistic desktop environments on top of the old hardware. The auto-detection done by autoconf should already take care to disable whatever feature is not available. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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