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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id rx10sm20395023pab.21.2015.10.07.09.16.12 for (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Oct 2015 09:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1A0EAF1C30E1; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 09:16:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87wpuyq5e5.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:34:10 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191048 Archived-At: >>>>> Phillip Lord writes: > I mention this not to stir up old arguments, but simply to point out that > these arguments have not been resolved in the past. While I am hopeful that > they will be resolved in the future, I suspect that trying to sort this > issue out now is a side-track, which should not block discussion of the > maintainership. I realize we're on the 1000th round of this discussion, but I've not been directly involved in it before, and it has a direct bearing on my willingness to maintain Emacs. Guiding a project's technical future requires devotion and enthusiasm, and a certain degree of freedom. If the directions I want to take Emacs in are going to be consistently hampered by the "needs of freedom", this will cause me to lose all such energy. I'm going be the one at conferences, talking to users, saying, "Yes, we know; yes, it's a great idea; yes, it should be there; yes, I even want to do it myself, yesterday; but talk to me in ten years when GCC has gotten around to providing what we need." I'm beginning to think GNU Emacs will need someone who also cares about the freedom argument first, and the technical needs second, because I'm very much concerned I would chomping at the bit to move forward, and unable to for reasons I don't necessarily agree with. John