From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Speed of keyboard macro execution? 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id sv8sm33704148pab.13.2015.12.12.15.12.48 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 12 Dec 2015 15:12:48 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 91987114636F2; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 15:12:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87zixhqz44.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Fri, 11 Dec 2015 07:27:07 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: David Kastrup , "Perry E. Metzger" , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196178 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> David Kastrup writes: >> I think we're presupposing what users want, and that is no reason to cha= nge a >> long-standing default. > I'm still waiting for a single example where the current behavior would be > actually useful for keyboard macro execution. If I don't come up with an example right now, it doesn't mean that it's not useful, only that I don't have an example. You're proposing a change to existing behavior, and I fail to see a compell= ing enough reason for that change. Not only is the new behavior not compelling = to me yet, but the safety of the change (because it *does* change how existing macros behave) is definitely not compelling enough. Asking me to defend why the status quo shouldn't be changed has nothing to = do with whether your suggested feature should become the new default. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJWbKYpAAoJEMFE2PTxn+YwpN0L+wRNxkifskCG8+d+dKJwSqtS Q2kQw5CJRQogKk4/TxNLjsghCfprYn7ha461SEeDVPUctsq3dUPP/3kaWwRaVQpr fsFZLVGd+IrFNABEQ8Z7BWY9Y5pLycIGeGU116KG/ZvoQKWpFlWSdNVZs0+aQBFL 9kY0kkJuERLHpoO2Qw66ErONwEBJPVo1kUCGT9g1ODG7tFC0WCRtHAiiQMylVi5w DX9koOHWCsMIM4Qp4iNi5Pqw+fzXD98L4j0XlW7qESi4CYDsoIP4Z18AGqUHhs9i 9hA8AczrYTE2uINGN0lTkSzr7Rdef3bqY+IHSMUZM6UmFsido+dyPPmOKzhasyLB dF5GbTfbXw63OPR/BeofBUuRySd7ApZM8L+VEdmiRy+XbqJLty61pgBQaK/PPs/0 OFZvd2IUIBqdNxtSwl8mj4p6FpALal3GrtnXmQEm+8NFoESsw3bcHgb/zM0wxBCZ DKRYwSwqHZQn0j9bGXq+UQdGg1t1TUgeV+yYNtm5IQ== =t/Kh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--