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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::430 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247691 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:59:06 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Richard Stallman >> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 22:37:48 -0400 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >>=20 >> Separate and integrated are not opposites. >> It is possible for several features to be integrated, >> in the sense that they work together _when you want that_, >> and also separate, in the sense that we describe each one separately >> and you can learn about one without paying the slightest attention >> to the others. Eli> I think it's more correct to say that Org features are well Eli> integrated, not that they are tightly-coupled in the sense that th= ey Eli> cannot work separately. I did (and do) successfully use a couple = of Eli> Org features although I know and need very little of the rest. And that 'little' extends to the Org syntax: there is no need to know all of it, or even a large part of it, since basic use just requires something like: * Heading level one Text ** Heading level two Text * Another heading level one ** TODO do some stuff It=CA=BCs only when you start wanting to change org's default behaviour, or generate a custom agenda, or schedule TODO items, or track task time usage etc, that you need to learn more. Robert