From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Matt Armstrong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: [External] : Re: scratch/command 064f146 1/2: Change command to interactive ... modes Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:53:24 -0800 Message-ID: References: <20210213141225.11309.86562@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <83y2fq9f0v.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0r8xl7y.fsf@gnus.org> <834kic9g0a.fsf@gnu.org> <8735xwvusc.fsf@gnus.org> <83v9as7xns.fsf@gnu.org> <87pn10ueld.fsf@gnus.org> <83r1lf9apm.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6s3vrnd.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8gj9a8o.fsf@gnu.org> <871rdfvq86.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7mb98g8.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8gjuaez.fsf@gnus.org> <83ft1v97bk.fsf@gnu.org> <877dn7u7wq.fsf@gnus.org> <835z2r94zw.fsf@gnu.org> <831rdf91r1.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft1vsmf5.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34828"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" , Stefan Kangas , "dgutov@yandex.ru" To: Drew Adams , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 17 17:54:42 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lCQ66-0008xM-Aw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:54:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51720 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCQ65-0004Wn-92 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 11:54:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36394) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCQ53-000402-Cf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 11:53:37 -0500 Original-Received: from relay12.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.232]:53983) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCQ51-0004UP-8G; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 11:53:36 -0500 Original-Received: from matts-mbp-2016.lan (24-113-169-116.wavecable.com [24.113.169.116]) (Authenticated sender: matt@rfc20.org) by relay12.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3B103200006; Wed, 17 Feb 2021 16:53:27 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.178.232; envelope-from=matt@rfc20.org; helo=relay12.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265019 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> I think that in the long term, taking care to not >> make simple things like making a command for a >> mode too arduous, is important. > > I may be missing something, but is making a command > for a mode arduous now (before your recent changes)? > Just what's hard about it? Haven't we all been > making mode-specific commands painlessly forever? > > Is it possible that you have a new hammer and are > looking for nails to use it on? I know you said, > in response to Stefan's suggestion of that, that > you're now seeing nails everywhere. [...] I think you're missing which came first. The nail: Lars sought a way to associate interactive commands with modes. This is for the benefit of interactive help, completion in a (new) command purpose built for mode specific commands, etc. The Hammer: The interactive form currently under debate. He did not change (interactive) and only then wonder what to do with it.