From: Sascha Wilde <wilde@sha-bang.de>
To: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
Cc: Hacksaw <hacksaw@hacksaw.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A wish, a plea
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:19:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2fy4latun.fsf@kenny.sha-bang.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d4zomyiw.fsf@red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "Thu\, 21 Jun 2007 20\:57\:43 -0700")
Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com> wrote:
> Hacksaw <hacksaw@hacksaw.org> writes:
>> So I started writing, and I wrote for quite a while, it was really
>> flowing well, and I thought, hey, I should save, because I don't want
>> to lose this, but in my reverie, I hit the ^X^C first.
[...]
>> But I wasn't in programming mode, so I was in scratch, and lost
>> everything I was writing, because scratch isn't backed up by anything.
>
> I agree, this should be changed.
FWIW I object.
I'm actually using *scratch* quite often, as a scratch pad for stuff I
don't want to save (and don't want to be asked, if I want to save them
on exit), as well as for ad-hoc elisp stuff.
I like the feature of having *scratch* at hand from the beginning in
every emacs session, and I would miss it...
[...]
> - It's true that "*scratch*" today opens with this message in it:
>
> ;; This buffer is for notes you don't want to save, and for
> ;; Lisp evaluation. If you want to create a file, visit that
> ;; file with C-x C-f, then enter the text in that file's own
> ;; buffer.
Yes, and this makes absolutely clear what to expect from the *scratch*
buffer -- in fact, for content you actually want to keep you will have
to delete this text first, so don't whine when you ignored it.
> But users don't read stuff, we all know that (heck, I'm a user
> who's also a programmer, and I still don't read stuff).
Yeah, there is much truth in that, and I often fail to read stuff my
self -- but if something goes wrong I don't blame others for my fault.
Especially if the text in question is so short, clear and easy to
notice as this comments in the *scratch* buffer.
> I think
> of that notice as a workaround to a real solution: offering to
> save what the user has typed.
No "real solution" needed, as *scratch* does exactly what it is
intended to, and it states it's intention loud and clearly.
Please leave *scratch* alone.
cheers
sascha
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Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-06-21 3:49 A wish, a plea Hacksaw
2007-06-21 18:50 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21 18:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-21 19:12 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 18:55 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22 3:59 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 19:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-21 19:17 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-21 21:53 ` Frank Schmitt
2007-06-22 0:36 ` Taylor Venable
2007-06-21 19:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 3:57 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 20:56 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 6:27 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 21:36 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 17:27 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-21 21:19 ` Sascha Wilde [this message]
2007-06-21 21:26 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 6:36 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-21 22:08 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-21 23:04 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 6:51 ` csant
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 17:12 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 20:47 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 21:30 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 21:30 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 8:03 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22 8:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 8:21 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 8:33 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 12:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 12:43 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:51 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 13:08 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 13:16 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 12:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-22 18:46 ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 19:50 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 19:58 ` Glenn Morris
2007-06-22 20:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-22 10:23 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 11:43 ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 14:19 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 20:09 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 23:07 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 22:11 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-23 13:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:57 ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-22 22:46 ` Initial splash screen (was Re: A wish, a plea) Stephen Berman
2007-06-23 6:42 ` Initial splash screen David Kastrup
2007-06-23 10:43 ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-23 18:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 13:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 13:34 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-25 13:38 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 18:51 ` A wish, a plea Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 20:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 13:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 14:45 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 19:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-24 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 19:02 ` Ryan Yeske
2007-06-28 1:04 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 16:36 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 6:21 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-23 18:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 18:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-06-23 19:07 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:47 ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 15:13 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-24 17:18 ` Hacksaw
2007-06-24 23:46 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 8:07 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-21 23:18 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-22 7:57 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-06-22 8:01 ` Karl Fogel
2007-06-22 8:16 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 8:32 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 9:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 9:20 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-22 9:55 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 8:01 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22 8:15 ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-22 8:19 ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-22 11:58 ` David House
2007-06-22 8:20 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 13:19 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 13:33 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 14:23 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-22 14:34 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 15:10 ` David House
2007-06-22 15:31 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-23 23:48 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-06-24 0:06 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 0:15 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-24 1:17 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 10:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:05 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 14:22 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-24 14:28 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-25 20:47 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-25 21:28 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-22 8:41 ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22 11:54 ` Nic James Ferrier
2007-06-22 12:33 ` Glyn Millington
2007-06-22 9:03 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-22 14:02 ` Denis Bueno
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