From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Automate Emacs UI testing? (was: Move to a cadence release model?) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:44:11 -0800 Message-ID: References: <831tbxn5id.fsf@gnu.org> <87oaf1bvsb.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447177483 15414 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2015 17:44:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 10 18:44:39 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwCyD-0004Ud-Ho for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:44:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34534 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwCyC-0000d1-Vc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:44:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50860) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwCxz-0000cs-Am for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:44:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwCxs-0001NE-8R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:44:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232]:36380) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwCxs-0001Mz-0e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:44:16 -0500 Original-Received: by pacdm15 with SMTP id dm15so3113279pac.3 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:44:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id:references :user-agent:mail-followup-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IURF1P8dIsraJqU7PsgrSeaYaHLzhexV4OgJ2p8qPXY=; b=A/zKgJBrZ2xeDnBhZyxOSTgn8TXsFPNbDsIs3N3w5Rwpyg9nWiywvlldW7NLlxpOjH KnY6kMKWTpSFEyivc2hoR7XWyWj1CrxdsMdEzpK9AjfVsERIE8FazftCQcI3ueFgUVjl 63x/kElZ/BostBJFywhfUEAwR7w/W9v/3dbO9K5+oaVG8EENrHBw+BTfbB4ppQ1zGFKu WNOPIIe+KVdLZ1X1hVvkTRZNL4KXahmNMtblF/0Kw6fLIEktf+UWzNx+l4mxy4eYBkHI 8wjxJGYjbn7OiipBcy5ChujQFswG0Ivi7JOKf9LE1uqRkJRXUPxtv+bmGiPkvXLPkbpS fdcQ== X-Received: by 10.66.192.42 with SMTP id hd10mr7338337pac.111.1447177455333; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:44:15 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Vulcan.attlocal.net (76-234-68-79.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net. [76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id rm10sm5200132pbc.96.2015.11.10.09.44.14 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:44:14 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.attlocal.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id AD9A810523CE0; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:44:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87oaf1bvsb.fsf@wanadoo.es> (=?utf-8?Q?=22=C3=93scar?= Fuentes"'s message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:37:24 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193897 Archived-At: >>>>> =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: > As Emacs has no strong test suite (automatic testing of UI is hard, so no > cure for this on sight) neither has many resources for steady manual test= ing > and bug-fixing, I'm afraid that switching to the cadence model would > deteriorate the quality of releases. Web developers have some pretty awesome tools for driving a UI and observing the resulting behavior. I wonder what it would take to have a framework like that for Emacs... John