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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:198415 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Richard Stallman writes: > I think we should state that as a lower bound, a minimum period to wait, = not > as a default. To have a default waiting period before deleting obsolete > features would lead us to act rigidly, rather than considering in each ca= se > what is best for the users. I'm quite OK with being flexible about when we feel it's time to delete old code. To summarize the final position: Once code has been in "obsolete" for a complete release cycle, removal may be recommended by those who feel it's t= ime for the code to go. 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