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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g10sm7920816pfd.92.2016.03.10.15.26.38 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:26:38 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3AC7913651C68; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:26:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Thu, 10 Mar 2016 09:58:15 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.92 (darwin) Mail-Followup-To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord), Richard Stallman , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201436 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Phillip Lord writes: > The arrows keys work perfectly well in my experience. In addition, there = is > the mouse. We should avoid thinking that the audience for a tutorial has our same bias= es. Arrows and mouse are terribly slow if one is used to having their fingers on the home row. That said, there are indeed people for whom an arrow-key-and- mouse tutorial would be better suited. A good tutorial is readable and helpful to all audiences, not just for those whom we presume have the same predilections as ourselves. anyone who suggests we do away with mentioning C-npfb because *they* don't = use those keys is making a mistake, in my opinion, by neglecting readers who wo= uld benefit from learning about the n/p/f/b paradigm (which is pervasive throughout Emacs, such as M-n, n in dired, C-M-n, C-c C-n, etc). =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJW4gKpAAoJEMFE2PTxn+Yw+eQL/1cF/u94i9BqnNMRsL+L5743 3EoNo1RpJ/X0mMH6eVACgqYco8alpYTFOG3XSaFrSXr/61CdvWqGuBg0QYi+2+Rh BCZ4+RZ85lKdsRLOcm+fPrHUyu/2jwkvocw6Pno4NuLzYhZs38w6QCzP3S8R5xx5 biazfiwBJl7F0DiSuxRGc7J5vKEuN9w/CzM0/cWzFBJmUCvjXf7KJj42lkkZBujA PQmb80bzqMyrrOABRPrLfotthdZ798movVrMKM7OUMTU18lDmr5S8Orv6YGH5U5y mMN+xrE8pbeyCaT1/Peier8HOWZXpF/Byj6n+4O4vrwaJghfj7MmnAcXaBkhRfOQ qFR12cGfMK6it85+uxOZOMp0VT/rNRHiSRPBsZYAfqHX6Ec2v/SQrBAxZQJTa7DH Ogzjym8JbsxQDZKSMLabkaOPLmzGmrlglDNziicphWQdbWkvUQ2lqbWo51ahmvOA eycnxoit7AYre58hMydEW3Ctm8Za4w1PdYTz0SCD/w== =4iSo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--