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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255218 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 19:23:35 +0200, Emanuel Berg via "Emacs development discussions." said: Emacs> Robert Pluim wrote: >> How are we to get them to grow as Emacs users if >> they don't learn how to learn about Emacs? >> There are far too many posts on >> reddit/stackexchange etc which are easily solved by >> just reading the bundled manuals/docstrings. Emacs> The more Emacs posts on Reddit/SX the better. Emacs> That and they are part of us as much as Emacs> gmane.emacs.devel . The more *useful* posts on those the better. Stuff that can be answered easily by the OP if they know where to look wastes everyone's time. Robert