From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Edward O'Connor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sorting of directories in dired Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:32:22 -0700 Organization: Church of Emacs Message-ID: References: <4825c0f482397d.482397d4825c0f@net.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120754613 27758 80.91.229.2 (7 Jul 2005 16:43:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 07 18:43:19 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqZSG-0005Xu-B9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:42:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqZTd-0003EV-8s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:43:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqZNk-00089X-Cs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:37:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqZNh-00087z-Ay for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:37:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqZNg-00085k-W4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:37:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DqZR8-0003ko-Cv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:41:18 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DqZJq-00046a-Qq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:33:46 +0200 Original-Received: from rrcs-67-52-157-90.west.biz.rr.com ([67.52.157.90]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:33:46 +0200 Original-Received: from hober0 by rrcs-67-52-157-90.west.biz.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:33:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 40 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-67-52-157-90.west.biz.rr.com Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEX47PoBAAegiLwiH1N IQYI0M4iMeKYBAAYGBBGqm9JF4g0mAAACYElEQVR4nGWTsY/aMBTGLXoLo8WQjNVrFJXxzviUbig JEcy5SNft5LhRGT3RNecUuRuiCMn/bZ+dhHDqJ2SZ7+f3nt/DEMOcqv9E9AdQTsD7fPw6hRIz+iw xxuhbMBn3SUtRofk95CTa9D49UIWiRvt4TnTiNmUbHIIDykUxdwm8lTvQUmergwoCpXR/qwojXqk 7jTEK1xANXhKOgD8eRmHggrt2CNKKtfcAU3EHkCbB5OJn4Ws40Prco6jhAyiDoSyeTrAb1gNe+dI eKNVlpvXNE5+pT6HUIjEi24a8B6XvjSrd0rCon5vCDwX7eA2wvV9bqrPWdCAFZBtfA0tQRWmRsE6 uZCMA6qYHbRDg6I5RlxVSFNCISG56QB3oIBNSRKL+JuLMg9LZlGqIUhCFlH9m8FN74GxFQwEFxKm crWYQJQ680v43TSEGEDArAWLJPVAObN8BHDghhrwcI1RYH2GSLMfiKnzWd6DGx4DvwNc41mIC0QQ WqzgXH0HV+kvVoohvIB5AaHRSyCZHyzawtOd4SBUyXR9lxOb2RB7Sz4T0AB8zY/smvWzRIrN0OQL GcsbW8zf7dY1gfsIlZm66JUsdOK3ljjjNCbnoHuxq9jQnb+TkAa6XY0XyJmf7C1uRwfbk4b0m1tr 8+zljb+ROD0+xA9f4umHP9+CTAAesjfGPWNyBvzCAc5ax/I40CFJPvkQrC/vRP+NsiC58LpGKfWH 7Ppy/JMY8ObK0AJfTRUDTz5eQxHS2VxPlG1697N0ee4qSbjeQ64bjc94Nhex1b+2N5Hn1MoJJwlp pf1Rr7/8DXitGHanPc2gAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Attribution: Ted User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:X/bMAarDq6iF8YToojLy7j9ZJPo= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40567 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40567 > Interesting. I can see your point. However do you use w32? Yes, I do (as well as FreeBSD, Mac OS X, and occasionally GNU/Linux). > Do you not find it disturbing then that the ordering of files are > different in Emacs than outside Emacs on w32? Nope, I don't find that disturbing at all. A related issue that I *did* find disturbing: on recent versions of Fedora Core, the default Dired ordering interleaved dot-files with ordinary files, because of some DWIMish behavior of the underlying `ls' implementation. I added "setenv LC_ALL C" to my .cshrc to work around this behavior, because the underlying `ls' doesn't expose any other knob to control this behavior. Bleah. > Maybe you never leave Emacs? I spend a fair amount of time outside of Emacs under w32 (and the other systems above). > But for newbies who are used to other apps under w32, would it not be > easier for them to adopt to Emacs if the default ordering was the same > as for other apps? I don't know. I'm not a newbie, and I don't presume to know what would be easier for them. > And those of us (I know now) who can change it, can't we just do that? Of course, and that's precisely what I'll do if this default changes. Ted -- Edward O'Connor hober0@gmail.com Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem.