From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean O'Rourke Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: An Emacs plug-in for a browser (Firefox?) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:41:15 -0700 Message-ID: References: <18624.40059.414121.633475@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <48C0BB3A.4080201@pajato.com> <87zlmnezy9.fsf@shellarchive.co.uk> <48C0FC53.4020806@gmail.com> <6fa54e4e0809050420i5132ace5red5a011b69ecd1ed@mail.gmail.com> <6fa54e4e0809060348l2ca36872u2445d0824960021b@mail.gmail.com> <87zlml7y8v.fsf@localhorst.mine.nu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220740906 20613 80.91.229.12 (6 Sep 2008 22:41:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:41:46 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 07 00:42:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kc6UG-0007nm-9m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:42:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54544 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kc6TG-0000Ek-PY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:41:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kc6TD-0000Ef-F8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:41:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Kc6TB-0000ET-VT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:41:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52487 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kc6TB-0000EQ-So for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:41:29 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:36051 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kc6TB-0002Yn-2W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:41:29 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Kc6T6-0005fZ-UU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:41:25 +0000 Original-Received: from cpe-76-174-24-253.socal.res.rr.com ([76.174.24.253]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:41:24 +0000 Original-Received: from seano by cpe-76-174-24-253.socal.res.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:41:24 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-76-174-24-253.socal.res.rr.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:CqKoDx+eWwAtd5YQyCbVngeczaM= X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103616 Archived-At: David Hansen writes: > On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:04:19 -0400 Richard M. Stallman wrote: >> That's if we want to make emacs itself display the web page. >> >> Yes, exactly. What else could we be talking about? > > Just to give you an idea (OK, that includes the compiled files): > > [~/src/WebKit] $ du -hs . > 1.3G . > > I'm not quite sure where you want to get the resources to realize such > a huge project. And it's actually much worse than that. As far as I can tell, de facto web standards change quickly and are defined by whatever the main browsers (IE, Firefox derivatives, Webkit derivatives) support. I still prefer a deeply-integrated Emacs browser (emacs-w3m) for many tasks, but there's just no way Emacs can keep up with these standards. I'm not sure if I *want* Emacs to become a web browser (just making it easy to edit the contents of text boxes on all platforms using Emacs, via emacsclient or otherwise, would be plenty), but even if I did want it to, I doubt it could become one. Sean