From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should undefined behavior be encouraged in Emacs? Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 02:52:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4E89124D.8070405@cs.ucla.edu> <4E895885.5060201@online.de> <87ehyu1qk7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <4E89794F.8040706@online.de> <87zkheg8xc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874nzlsxwf.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <4E8E0AB4.1050900@online.de> <87y5wxqm8j.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317974116 9641 80.91.229.12 (7 Oct 2011 07:55:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 07:55:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 07 09:55:13 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC5Gy-0002BV-TE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:55:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53448 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC5Gy-0001eI-IE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:55:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:46999) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC5Gw-0001cc-Mh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:55:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC5Gu-000218-Qm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:55:10 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:50344) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC5Gu-00020h-5g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 03:55:08 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC5Gs-00029b-KK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:55:06 +0200 Original-Received: from c-98-215-105-167.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([98.215.105.167]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:55:06 +0200 Original-Received: from jwiegley by c-98-215-105-167.hsd1.il.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 09:55:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-215-105-167.hsd1.il.comcast.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/23.3 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:rj17Gl8oV0vqmOEXsfpHTrjQPVw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144673 Archived-At: >>>>> Stephen J Turnbull writes: >> disabled `transient-mark-mode' the first chance I got. > [...] I found that I liked it, for several reasons, and the change in > default was upheld because most commentators agreed. I also quiet like transient-mark-mode, despite the fact that at first I disabled it most vociferously (in the confines of my then office). >> And the reason for that is that `C-x C-x' activates the region, which makes >> it impossible to use that command to jump around in buffers. > Of course it doesn't make it impossible. You just don't like it, either > because of the risk of deleting something you don't want to reproduce, or > because you find the highlighting annoying, or maybe for some other reason I > don't recall after a decade and a half of correct usage. I would like this behavior to have a customization variable. highlight-region-on-exchange-point-and-mark. >> I might start using `transient-mark-mode'. > C'mon, Lars, I'm sure you could do that for yourself. Why don't you try it > and see? After all, you'd be the odd one out, people who already use t-m-m > evidently *want* the activating behavior. Well, I don't use C-x C-x, I use C-u C-SPC, but maybe I'd like to bounce back, and in that case having the region re-highlighted seems... odd. John