From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "John Wiegley" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:26:58 +0000 Organization: New Artisans LLC Message-ID: References: <87hajxqlly.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364498830 28226 80.91.229.3 (28 Mar 2013 19:27:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 28 20:27:35 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ULIU2-0001q7-LY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:27:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56181 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULITe-0007ci-7h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:27:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54199) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULITZ-0007cb-Qs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULITY-0005sq-6K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:27:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com ([209.85.128.170]:49788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULITY-0005sg-27; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:27:04 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 15so3096332vea.15 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:27:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:cc:subject:organization:references :mail-followup-to:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=yLxI1RssdelC7/8vE6RaFR9bC0KWPXMuZSiBs3D8MU0=; b=brydH6EzK6DLzhJcvYoJgOIs951guT9KunSeej8Ox9Jjc/aAJ40z48P3pV9bCz8nJ0 eF1v5JFrffez4q6+hkN8ijtao2xTdhf5XfAN6woE5kZJwUZ5Z51A8ceL4L+Ts0TMmGls KxvJWVmSGZ65Cx9nbFjipyCUxV+HhNrWZ2WHMluLOoJZRm2xCEGuraQ6WaSQ0P/MU5Tm c9L3Jk+DIEHRS9uEqVwQXdNU1Zl37J37rfFZ/60hMIS3VkM5C1nPAFAOsZuTvQJptqeG ZOWjNOxtvd+h+VYFX5FQkE7fBG33T2i3rM+EACF4osKTjFwI1oi1m7oWs46nNg7WI0Bs Fm9w== X-Received: by 10.58.205.179 with SMTP id lh19mr28123339vec.7.1364498823273; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Hermes.local (cpc11-mort5-2-0-cust73.19-2.cable.virginmedia.com. [80.235.133.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i17sm37068590vdj.1.2013.03.28.12.27.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by Hermes.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id D29E9970D20; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:26:58 +0000 (GMT) Mail-Followup-To: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:58:52 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.128.170 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158374 Archived-At: >>>>> Richard Stallman writes: > I hope you understand that before I take the drastic step of giving up on a > package, I need to be convinced there is no hope. People on this list are > proposing that I give up after a snap judgment based on a weaker criterion. > I won't do that. The advice which suggests I do that is not useful or > relevant. I think your approach here is perfectly reasonable, Richard, and commendable. It is not a decision to be taken lightly -- especially since you'd be choosing to replace the use of a GNU project with a non-GNU one -- so I'll help you gather whatever evidence you need. The Bazaar bug in question, concerning bzr and ELPA, is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/937101 John