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[76.234.69.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ad15sm57745998pac.33.2016.10.18.11.08.08 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 18 Oct 2016 11:08:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Original-Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 44A143076F06; Tue, 18 Oct 2016 11:08:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8760opkdz3.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:01:52 +0100") Mail-Followup-To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord), Eli Zaretskii , andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208437 Archived-At: >>>>> Phillip Lord writes: > - Use package.el to initialize and load these during startup I'm OK with this, as long as it doesn't impact current load-time efficiency. My past experience with package.is that it introduced a lot of slowness, due to loading far more autoloads than I might ever care about. This is partly why use-package manages my load-path and autoloads explicit: I only use maybe 1% of the total autoloads available in the system. As long as I'm not paying a cost just for having package.el be part of the process, I'm fine with this part of your goal. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2