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From: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
To: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org,  ofv@wanadoo.es
Subject: Re: Gap buffer problem?
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 20:09:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2ed2eox34.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v7vqjexy.fsf@protonmail.com> (Pip Cet's message of "Wed, 11 Dec 2024 17:41:29 +0000")

Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com> writes:

> "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "Pip Cet via \"Emacs development discussions.\"" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
>>>  Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 16:33:18 +0100
>>>
>>> Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> > This may be a very stupid idea, but why not use a separate process?
>>>
>>> Not stupid at all. I thought about something similar in a different
>>> context, namely if one could decouple the GUI part of Emacs from the
>>> rest.
>>
>> If it can be done by two processes, it can also be done by two threads
>> in the same process.  Right?
>
> AFAIU: No, not right.
>
> I may have misunderstood, but if the idea is to preserve a consistent
> state of all Lisp data and buffer text for redisplay to use, the easiest
> way to ensure that consistency is fork().  The other ways, such as
> copying all heap objects that might be used by redisplay (and adjusting
> all internal pointers in such heap objects to point to the copy rather
> than the original data), probably will end up either being a lot slower
> or being very specific to the system we're running on.

I may also be misunderstanding, but in principle, I agree with Eli.

Say we have processes A and B communicating with each other. Take the
code of A and move it to B, possibly with some automatic transformations
if A and B have the same source code. Make two threads in the result
process for A and B. Replace inter-process message passing with
inter-thread message passing. Initial message may be "fork" transferring
the world of thread A to thread B.

But I'm also thinking too abstract sometimes.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-12-11 19:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2024-08-17 22:49 ` Emacs-devel Digest, Vol 246, Issue 17 ali_gnu2
2024-08-18  0:10   ` Po Lu
2024-08-18  0:19     ` Po Lu
2024-08-18  1:15     ` Solaris dldump (was: Pure space) ali_gnu2
2024-08-18  1:25       ` Solaris dldump Po Lu
2024-08-18 22:27         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-08-18 23:56           ` Po Lu
2024-08-19 11:18             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-19 12:09               ` Po Lu
2024-08-19 12:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-19 11:44             ` Pip Cet
2024-08-19 11:57               ` Po Lu
2024-08-19 12:10                 ` Pip Cet
2024-08-19 12:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-19 13:46                     ` Pip Cet
2024-08-19 14:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-19 15:26                         ` Corwin Brust
2024-08-19 15:31                           ` Corwin Brust
2024-08-19 20:51                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-08-19 20:35             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-08 12:17     ` pdumper on Solaris 10 Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-08 13:05       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 13:52         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-08 14:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 16:17             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-08 16:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 17:37                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-08 18:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 19:15                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-08 20:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09  3:09                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-09  3:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09  3:43                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-09  4:53                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-09  5:26                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-09 13:58                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10  0:02                                   ` Po Lu
2024-12-09  9:56                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10  0:04                             ` Po Lu
2024-12-10  3:34                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11  1:13                                 ` Po Lu
2024-12-11 11:29                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-09  4:59                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-12-09 14:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09 21:06                         ` Merging MPS a.k.a. scratch/igc, yet again Stefan Kangas
2024-12-09 21:49                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10  4:17                             ` Xiyue Deng
2024-12-10  4:26                               ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-10  4:42                               ` chad
2024-12-10 13:10                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 15:10                                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 15:37                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 15:47                                     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 17:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 13:20                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 14:46                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 13:09                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 13:20                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 14:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09 23:13                           ` chad
2024-12-10 12:41                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10  0:09                         ` pdumper on Solaris 10 Stefan Kangas
2024-12-10 12:59                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 13:39                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 14:39                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 15:21                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 16:39                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 15:38                               ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 16:04                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2024-12-10 17:23                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11  5:27                                 ` Gap buffer problem? Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11  8:50                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11  9:35                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 11:50                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 13:22                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 14:53                                           ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 15:33                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 16:58                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 17:13                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 17:45                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2024-12-11 18:11                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 19:08                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 17:41                                                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 19:04                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 19:54                                                     ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 20:26                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 19:09                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann [this message]
2024-12-11 12:27                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 13:27                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 15:06                                           ` Marcus Harnisch
2024-12-11 14:22                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 15:51                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 17:06                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 17:15                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-10 18:13                               ` pdumper on Solaris 10 Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-10 15:23                             ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 17:08                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-10 18:03                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-10 19:34                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 19:59                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-10 20:17                                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-10 20:34                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-12-11 14:13                                   ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-11 17:43                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09 16:21                       ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-08 18:47                 ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.
2024-12-09  1:13                 ` Po Lu
2024-12-09  1:08           ` Po Lu
2024-12-09  0:58       ` Po Lu
2024-12-09  3:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09  1:01       ` Po Lu
2024-12-09 13:11         ` Pip Cet via Emacs development discussions.

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