From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Helmut Eller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Guile in Emacs Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:45:37 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4B8147A9.7030504@gmail.com> <873a0cyv3r.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87aauiho3y.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <1271028837.6164.55.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <1271102739.6067.38.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <8039yz34ka.fsf@tiny.isode.net> <1271173887.6067.53.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <87FA5F05CB9C41409B9E72BD06D7C8CF@us.oracle.com> <87fx2xp839.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <877ho9p3pv.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87k4s9nkzf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271324784 8856 80.91.229.12 (15 Apr 2010 09:46:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:46:24 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 15 11:46:20 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2LeM-0003YE-SN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:46:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43442 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O2LeM-0005XP-7Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 05:46:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O2Le1-0005Rn-SC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 05:45:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46904 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O2Ldw-0005Q8-O4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 05:45:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2Ldu-0002a4-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 05:45:52 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:50781) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2Ldu-0002Ze-9B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 05:45:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O2Ldq-0003Ls-Lh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:45:46 +0200 Original-Received: from dial-180024.pool.broadband44.net ([212.46.180.24]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:45:46 +0200 Original-Received: from eller.helmut by dial-180024.pool.broadband44.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:45:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-180024.pool.broadband44.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:HsHBSoYU5dWqhhjeOLVjX1/hw9c= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123698 Archived-At: * David Kastrup [2010-04-15 11:06+0200] writes: > writes: > >>>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: >> >> David> Did you bother to read my posting to its end before replying to the >> David> first sentence? I should think that I already addressed this. >> >> My apologies if I have misunderstood something; I did read all of the >> mail. >> >> You wrote in the second paragraph: >> >>> Otherwise, only programmers can be expected to be able to use it. One >>> reason for that is that non-Emacs specific Lisp manuals will not focus >>> about how to get things done with Emacs. Applying a manual utterly >>> without editing focus to editing tasks is quite a large intellectual >>> feat. >> >> I would imagine that the system came with several manuals, a generic >> one for common lisp (for instance the hyperspec) and a more emacs >> specific one for the editing libraries (such as the buffer related >> functions). >> >> Why would it make a big difference whether (say) `loop' and >> `current-buffer' appear in different manuals as long as both are >> available in the system and there are some appropriate top-level >> index/search/contents/reading-guide support for the user? > > Because the language specific manual would have no constructs and no > examples using any editor-specific data structures or any > editor-specific tasks. > > But that's actually more or less a paraphrase of the "Otherwise, [...]" > paragraph above again. I don't see anything in your reply that would > address that. Guile supposedly supports multiple languages, like Scheme, Python and Javascript. So who writes the manual for Python and Javascript? Helmut