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>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> The implementation of the stuff in `M-x' is trivial: Don't complete to
> commands that are/aren't marked in a certain way. What will take real work
> is instrumenting the commands. (One way or the other.)

Yes, although "classifying functions" can be done in a very large number of
ways, not all of which require instrumentation.

> Making changes and then seeing improvements in Emacs immediately would be a
> great motivating factor, I think, to get people to do this stuff.

I didn't quite follow what this was suggesting... :)

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