From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Wiegley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Can we go GTK-only? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209137 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "EZ" =3D=3D Eli Zaretskii writes: PM> You've explicitly refused to name an exception, and no one else is PM> aware of one, so how can we give credence to your claim? EZ> As for "claims": this is more about gut feelings, based on the factors I EZ> mentioned, than about anything else. It is OK to disagree with gut EZ> feelings, even if you agree with the facts. It is NOT okay to make this= a EZ> discussion about my credibility. If my credibility is being questioned,= I EZ> will simply step down. Please do not discourage our co-maintainer by speaking disrespectfully on t= his mailing list!!! Those who do so will be moderated out of the discussion. I'd much rather have Eli stick around, than see a minor technical point champio= ned at the expense of one of our most stalwart contributors. To everyone: If you can't phrase your disagreements and observations in cal= m, rational language, then please refrain. We should be speaking to each other= as though we were what we are: computer professionals who know what we're doin= g, and who all want Emacs to succeed. Claims backed up by data argue well here; attacking the position or credibility of others not only fails to win the point, it loses big on mora= le, which is much more precious commodity. We're a small community; there is no need for this. Eli, please do not step down. You are my ray of light against a dark sea of never-ending bug reports. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJYG3zTAAoJEMFE2PTxn+YwW+gMAIO/ScT9YhrNP9hOb9wylzMm g1GOpShhONW5GJRkC+Sn6lIGfxZ8WBAVLtkTLqQFNqIlHitoMk/daLRbRg4PJ6sq m5s/LekMgy8aGwGk4wY/r4/qy6eEpiuHI2DskJZrf7Y1e5H0uIAtlvMJXWijqfEJ MmRcdEjZvxce4R37Y/6Hdt5xOwce4hu5ppK63sWHPbJdYfIBtfiXcNFF4oXbe6O9 F5pEDEQJeyCqdhHshweV40HkprHyVJ/cx9yDovSML3w1w7ypigaTWAISvBNvwsvO 1y3Q8O3OsnXXXe4MovectRBt3F6Naygi3QL68C7HnizW1RQ/MsGbmZ7fprifp6Ah Cvm6IokGdC3HfV/P1GsokPg2LogbNeHq0i59e5/lBVBhEjsXItDC2y+9RPIis4TF s/hrRGDc1YbH5PCp127sl+lHCd/5HWqQNzetChwO6p58+Dn8wv8ndrMhUxCbzU43 xn0SYMOLgnnQIFVuYdJigL67x4gD3e+mhmblWWygfg== =fiH2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--