>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: PM> You've explicitly refused to name an exception, and no one else is PM> aware of one, so how can we give credence to your claim? EZ> As for "claims": this is more about gut feelings, based on the factors I EZ> mentioned, than about anything else. It is OK to disagree with gut EZ> feelings, even if you agree with the facts. It is NOT okay to make this a EZ> discussion about my credibility. If my credibility is being questioned, I EZ> will simply step down. Please do not discourage our co-maintainer by speaking disrespectfully on this mailing list!!! Those who do so will be moderated out of the discussion. I'd much rather have Eli stick around, than see a minor technical point championed at the expense of one of our most stalwart contributors. To everyone: If you can't phrase your disagreements and observations in calm, rational language, then please refrain. We should be speaking to each other as though we were what we are: computer professionals who know what we're doing, and who all want Emacs to succeed. Claims backed up by data argue well here; attacking the position or credibility of others not only fails to win the point, it loses big on morale, which is much more precious commodity. We're a small community; there is no need for this. Eli, please do not step down. You are my ray of light against a dark sea of never-ending bug reports. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2