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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::431 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247692 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:03:52 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: >> I have no idea whether it does. Maybe most of the change needed >> is in documentation, and a few little details to go with >> the change in documentation. Eli> I think we should try changing the documentation first, as that is= a Eli> Good Thing anyway. When that is done, we could consider whether a= ny Eli> code changes are needed. (I actually expect that to become evident Eli> while the documentation is re-written in the directions I proposed: Eli> whoever will do that job will discover that, for example, to be ab= le Eli> to produce a stand-alone document with Org, one would need features Eli> that currently belong to some unrelated Org part -- which would me= an Eli> some code needs to be added or modified to make that feature Eli> seamlessly available to document-writers.) That depends on what you mean by 'stand-alone'. The built-in Org mode from 'emacs -Q' can export to at least html, latex, pdf and odt by default, of which only latex and pdf require the installation of extra external tools. There=CA=BCs a texinfo backend as well that you=CA=BCd need to enable, whic= h may well require external tool support (I=CA=BCve never used it). Robert