From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Fleischer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2021 22:51:15 +0300 Message-ID: References: <83tujbqg4j.fsf@gnu.org> <46353190-1190-495f-b15e-22980159b3ab@yandex.ru> <83y28mp0rb.fsf@gnu.org> <51a363db-fde7-791d-cf8d-98ac601d62ee@yandex.ru> <57ca4d78-2339-201d-edce-678c9b003a99@yandex.ru> <01341bd6-b94b-4f94-1461-405e723142ad@yandex.ru> <8735qmjklm.fsf@localhost> <87ilzi86h7.fsf@posteo.net> <875yvh9anq.fsf@posteo.net> <83o899yjh2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8078"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (darwin) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:5VdJlEgqZmMljC9t7EXaU0vphV0= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 04 21:51:58 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mMbhm-0001xT-QM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 21:51:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54946 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMbhl-00060q-4l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 15:51:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49388) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMbhF-0005MT-Jz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 15:51:25 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:34886) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMbhE-0007BE-8o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 15:51:25 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mMbhC-0001BP-JU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 21:51:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273960 Archived-At: Drew Adams [2021-09-04 Sat 19:14] wrote: > I was thinking of `electric-pair-mode' (not the > indenting), sorry. Do most other editors > automatically insert closing delimiters etc.? > Even for non-code text? Code editors YES, word processors NO. You're exactly right with that; we need to split our modifications and put them on either prog-mode or text-mode. > You won't get any argument from me about what > belongs in Emacs tool bars. I don't use the > tool-bar, and I don't know what's best wrt it > for emacs -Q - either in terms of whether it > should be on or off or what buttons it should > contain. We are not talking here about modifying default (-Q) Emacs; we're talking about creating an OPT-IN experience for new users that will increase the probability of them liking and using Emacs in the future, increasing Emacs popularity and community. So this specific discussion is on whether adding certain defaults will likely make new users more comfortable or not. It will have no effect on users who would not turn this feature ON. > And how to know what solution is good for that? > Why not encourage such experiments, and see how > actual users actually take up the results? I don't think people who start using Emacs and create their own packages is the demographics for these profiles. We can do experiments by introducing the feature and doing some surveys. -- Daniel Fleischer