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[79.227.160.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h23-20020a170906591700b009ddcfbac9e7sm574819ejq.84.2023.11.10.22.34.49 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 10 Nov 2023 22:34:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Po Lu's message of "Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:12:58 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::62a; envelope-from=gerd.moellmann@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x62a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312529 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: > >> I don't understand that. If cl-lib were preloaded, it would also be no >> problem?=20 > > That's an invitation to use it, which will lead to more cryptic cl-lib > code. Aha, but seq/map are okay because they are preloaded. I guess I don't have to understand everything.