From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sascha Wilde Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key-binding clash between gnus and calc Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:51:19 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87u0ebg4cb.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1132228480 17059 80.91.229.2 (17 Nov 2005 11:54:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 17 12:54:36 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EciIx-0004Cm-VY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:51:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EciIw-0008KU-MW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:51:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ecgvs-00034D-8m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:23:57 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ecgur-0002yQ-Hk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:23:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EcgQU-0001mF-8q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:51:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [62.141.58.119] (helo=km1136.keymachine.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1EcgQT-0005m7-6U; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:51:29 -0500 Original-Received: from kenny.sha-bang.de (xdsln111.osnanet.de [212.95.113.111]) (authenticated bits=0) by km1136.keymachine.de (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAH9pIGF016125; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:51:18 +0100 Original-Received: from wilde by kenny.sha-bang.de with local (Kenny MUA v.0409034.42) ID 1EcgQJ-0004ca-K3; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:51:19 +0100 Original-To: snogglethorpe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: (Miles Bader's message of "Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:19:45 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-wieners-gbr-MailScanner-Information: MailScanner presented by www.wieners-gbr.de X-wieners-gbr-MailScanner: Nachricht wurde nicht auf Viren und Spam untersucht, sprechen Sie uns an: www.wieners-gbr.de. X-MailScanner-From: wilde@sha-bang.de X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:46152 Archived-At: Miles Bader wrote: > 2005/11/17, Juri Linkov : >> I doubt that `M-#' in gnus is used too much, because it has one >> inconvenience which is not fixed for a long time. Unlike `#' which >> advances to the next article, `M-#' stays on the same article. > > Unmarking commands in Gnus follow a fairly regular pattern -- if key > "foo" marks, then "M-foo" unmarks. This correspondence is _extremely_ > useful, because one uses unmarking commands more rarely than the > corresponding marking command, so a regular naming convention makes it > easy to remember what they're bound to. I agree, that the correspondence is quite use full, but I also do agree with Juri, that the slightly different behavior of M-# is extremely inconvenient. IMO this should be fixed, by making M-# advance to (like M-u does!). [...] >> There is another key binding in gnus that conflicts with the global >> key binding. It is `M-g'. > > Yeah, so what? Another notable non-tragedy. I agree, in this special case, that it is not tragic: Global Bindings Starting With M-g: key binding --- ------- M-g p previous-error M-g n next-error M-g g goto-line M-g ESC Prefix Command M-g M-p previous-error M-g M-n next-error M-g M-g goto-line previous-error and next-error just don't make any sense in gnus. (In fact, I'm not sure why they are global bindings anyway.) And goto-line isn't particularly use full in gnus buffers either. BUT, in general I think, that Emacs as a whole should be as consistent as possible. That is one reason why global bindings should be approved by Richard, and I thin that is a good thing[tm]. ;-) cheers sascha -- >++++++[<+++++++++++>-]<+.>+++[<++++++>-]<.---.---------.++++++.++++.--------- -.+++++++++++.+++++.>+++++++[<-------->-]<-.>++++++[<+++++++>-]<+.--.+++..---- ---.-.>++++++[<------>-]<.>++++[<+++++++++++++>-]<.------------.---.>++++++[<- ----->-]<-.>+++++[<+++++++>-]<.--.>+++[<++++++>-]<+.>++++++++[<--------->-]<--.