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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254979 Archived-At: >>>>> On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:38:28 -0400, Richard Stallman sa= id: Richard> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please conside= r ]]] Richard> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,= ]]] Richard> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's exam= ple. ]]] Richard> It is most unfortunate that any group of free software develop= ers has Richard> started using Slack for discussions. Slack itself is nonfree Richard> software, which means unjust software. GNU packages must not Richard> recommend the use of Slack. To do so would be an own goal. >> > The closest is the reddit channel where Eli interacts frequently. = But of >> > course there is not any link to that in the emacs site, the readme= or >> > anywhere. Richard> Is it possible to communicate through that channel without run= ning Richard> any nonfree software? (Including Javascript software?) There=CA=BCs at least one emacs client for it, but it suffers from the same issue as Gnus with the future changes to G-Suite: you need to log in to reddit using a browser to generate the authentication tokens. Logging in to www.reddit.com with LibreJS enabled fails for me (although I get no warnings from LibreJS about nonfree Javascript). Robert