From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrew Hyatt Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for removing obsolete packages Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 23:13:51 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87oacnwyg6.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1452917656 24573 80.91.229.3 (16 Jan 2016 04:14:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 04:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 16 05:14:11 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aKIFe-0001Ds-9F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2016 05:14:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49772 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aKIFd-0000KQ-5i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 23:14:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aKIFR-0000KK-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 23:13:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aKIFO-0006Yq-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 23:13:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qg0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c04::232]:34385) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aKIFO-0006Yg-4s; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 23:13:54 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qg0-x232.google.com with SMTP id 6so444256188qgy.1; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:13:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=mKCclxYYDjm+CJvlfhotF0Qdiaf6HDibrEhqw05W/qg=; b=cxo663zU/MoG3veIusT0wzS9oWWnhsKh8oerjarxsoErfTQAr/N9EiStAz62jLoo0A uBeXzEmf3r0+q2Dg4wKIBIUPuNhbbjpbS67v70J38S93bcQErtlDITT6az8zcEHoFxIj ZqCiiCiyQJ/XsrbnnPqsrlqF/mUo8/7REVKQB2Qtwl1It4hNpBH2uLC1XOG4Fhbk6wJX lJGIzj9V/Zyzk2vCCsnoLSPZm7qME9fUlNL9Fi2KbmwRd6bBqffoeYD4iQKOz+/vkucc MvjbSEhfSjub1CZTVErQvKVpIb6jvu0coAwE66jQ3en8oRgg8qHOveG92a0vh4I2I7wD StdA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=mKCclxYYDjm+CJvlfhotF0Qdiaf6HDibrEhqw05W/qg=; b=M7NMnsMmwYqhffXY+uOzvSWNd4M/zY76yf9F30072k1pYwn3uXpDKNgpUOP3DcqTNe 29CrlEFe/fL+AzYvG/lJhbzVh55nKirZvMVtcX3rCccDvkTaCrYCYm90xyvuyS7F69tO zubzl3bjO6T9JL0N9D8uaKQ2HbHXBxZRHy3ElpWdsANhGiY7Nas2wJ1HkP3TcomoJC48 vMqBrPAVMROiuVfLsH8AkOhAA4MO7KIqh8ttGITjn7rpZZmk2fwOG+24LT0r1Ypagcb2 dXqh35WMDQKGz2rcoyaTUuYN+aL9yQ1+V35HsAVVfeJ1APRBeOmJNDy7ldMiabsLYVq1 JVbg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQcUP4nuauejNqOAzd0ECurdd6odwRv3YfI8p7WXAglEKZRfgT8Eu/wXYiTc+B6RA== X-Received: by 10.140.226.8 with SMTP id w8mr6881293qhb.83.1452917633449; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:13:53 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Andrews-MacBook-Pro.local.ahyatt-laptop (cpe-74-73-128-199.nyc.res.rr.com. [74.73.128.199]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f66sm5836436qkb.5.2016.01.15.20.13.51 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:13:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87oacnwyg6.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Thu, 14 Jan 2016 23:09:13 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (darwin) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:198183 Archived-At: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: > Richard Stallman writes: >> > Also, can you give an example of something that is obsolete but >> > shouldn't be removed? That might help me understand your concern. >> >> defadvice might be a good example. > > Perhaps we need an intermediate directory, called "deprecated". Not > obsolete, should probably still autoload -- putting defadvice into > obsolete will break some packages for this reason alone, but should > produce warnings. > > The intention would be that "deprecated" packages would move to > "obsolete" there after. What would the difference be between deprecated and obsolete, then? Is it just that obsolete would definitely be deleted and deprecated only might be? > > Phil