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From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
To: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc?
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:42:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2a8m7coqk.fsf@newartisans.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC=50j_bOvEZQW37_MwMA+E68v1oYqQRp=kGZF69g=oo-wfPxA@mail.gmail.com> (Tim Cross's message of "Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:32:11 +1100")

>>>>> Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:

> Those who need/want a more powerful editor are unlikely to be put off by the
> tutorial. This doesn't mean we can't improve the tutorial. Only want to
> emphasise that there is no way to please everyone and we really need to
> focus on the 'real' audience, those who will benefit from what emacs can
> offer over things like nano, gedit, textedit etc.

I'm not sure what the practical way to move forward is in this discussion. If
someone trying Emacs doesn't intuitively know what the arrow keys will do --
such that they need them to be explained in a tutorial -- I doubt this is why
they will not go further with Emacs.

Meanwhile, there will be people who want to "get into Emacs", and to do so,
knowing that n/p is a part of an overall "movement gestalt" is important to
establish from the beginning.

Without seeing concrete proposals for changes to be made to the tutorial, I
don't see that there is much more to add.

-- 
John Wiegley                  GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F
http://newartisans.com                          60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2



  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-09 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-09 15:38 Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-09 15:50 ` jpff
2016-03-09 15:50 ` Oleh Krehel
2016-03-09 16:03   ` Kaushal Modi
2016-03-09 18:25     ` Yuri Khan
2016-03-10 20:28       ` Alexey Veretennikov
2016-03-09 16:48   ` Drew Adams
2016-03-09 18:26     ` Yuri Khan
2016-03-09 19:05       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-09 19:07       ` Drew Adams
2016-03-09 19:21         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-10  5:48   ` Tom
2016-03-09 16:12 ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-09 16:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-09 17:11 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-09 20:22 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-09 21:32   ` Tim Cross
2016-03-09 21:42     ` John Wiegley [this message]
2016-03-10  0:30     ` Evgeny Panasyuk
2016-03-10  5:54       ` Tom
2016-03-10  7:12         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-10 12:49         ` Evgeny Panasyuk
2016-03-10 21:22       ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-10 21:39         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-10 22:06           ` Evgeny Panasyuk
2016-03-12  1:53             ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-10  6:46 ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-10  9:58   ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-10 10:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-10 14:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-10 15:07       ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-10 15:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-10 15:48           ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-10 16:16             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-10 17:47               ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-11 11:21         ` Filipp Gunbin
2016-03-11 11:38           ` Yuri Khan
2016-03-11 14:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-11 16:57               ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-11 17:34                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-11 18:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-11 22:00                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-12  6:51                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-12  7:17                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-12 23:30                         ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-12 23:26                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-12  1:52         ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-10 23:26     ` John Wiegley
2016-03-11  2:10       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-11  8:01         ` Dani Moncayo
2016-03-13 10:54           ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2016-03-13 17:09             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-11 16:45       ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-12 19:25         ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-12 20:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-13 11:36             ` Tom
2016-03-13 16:36               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-13 17:08                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-13 17:27                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-13 18:41                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-13 19:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-13 19:14                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-13 20:27                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-03-14 12:16                         ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-14 14:14                           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-15 15:19                             ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-13 19:46                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-13 20:15                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-14 12:15               ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-14 12:15             ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-14 16:33               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-12 21:34           ` John Wiegley
2016-03-12 23:33             ` Phillip Lord
2016-03-12  1:50     ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-12 19:14       ` Chad Brown
2016-03-12 21:05         ` Evgeny Panasyuk

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